RE: [EM] Extremely simple voting for committee [Was Re: PR vs. Geographic Representation]

2004-01-31 Thread Jan Kok
Gervase, I commend you for getting involved in choosing a voting method for forming a committee. This is an opportunity to educate other people, and especially some of the leaders in your organization, about voting methods. I can offer a bit of advice from my own experience: find out who will ha

[EM] Site updates

2004-01-31 Thread Eric Gorr
I just added a couple of examples for Ranked Pairs and changed example #1. The can be accessed via: http://www.ericgorr.net/condorcet/rankedpairs/ At this point, I am not planning to add any more examples unless someone can think of a useful case that I missed. Election-methods mailing

Re: [EM] Ossipoff's lost 8 proofs now supplied by Adam Tarr Re: [EM] Clarifying the definitions

2004-01-31 Thread Craig Carey
At 2004-01-31 15:55 -0500 Saturday, Adam Tarr wrote: >I recognize the futility in arguing with Craig, but I'll say a few things. ... >>Adam Tarr wrote: >> > >> >This is, in my opinion, the crucial difference between the (non-academic) >> >criteria that Mike uses, and the standard academic criteri

Re: [EM] Ossipoff's lost 8 proofs now supplied by Adam Tarr Re: [EM] Clarifying the definitions

2004-01-31 Thread Adam Tarr
I recognize the futility in arguing with Craig, but I'll say a few things. Craig Carey wrote: Adam Tarr wrote: > >This is, in my opinion, the crucial difference between the (non-academic) >criteria that Mike uses, and the standard academic criteria. Normal >academic criteria essentially tell you

[EM] Extremely simple voting for committee [Was Re: PR vs. Geographic Representation]

2004-01-31 Thread Gervase Lam
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:20:09 -0500 > From: Adam Tarr > Subject: RE: PR vs. Geographic Representation [WAS: RE: [EM] Bill >   Lewis, never re-district] > I also suggest you check out proportional approval voting (PAV).  Here's > the initial thread about it: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/el

Public names for Condorcet methods (Was: Re: [EM] Condorcet for public proposals - IMV)

2004-01-31 Thread Gervase Lam
> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:22:09 +0100 > From: Markus Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [EM] Condorcet for public proposals - IMV > For Ernest's proposal, I suggest terms like "Smith-MinMax" > or "Smith-Simpson-Kramer". I agree with Markus here. In fact, there are quite a few names inv

[EM] Ossipoff's lost 8 proofs now supplied by Adam Tarr Re: [EM] Clarifying the definitions

2004-01-31 Thread Craig Carey
At 2004-01-31 12:45 -0500 Saturday, Adam Tarr wrote: > >> > Markus also said that the academics always define criteria in terms of >> > actual votes, ballots, rather than mentioning "preference" in the usual >> > sense of that word. Markus prefers that also. However, the fact that others >> > only

[EM] Schwartz and Mono-add-top compatibility

2004-01-31 Thread Kevin Venzke
I increasingly think that Schwartz and Mono-add-top must be incompatible. Suppose we aim to meet both of these criteria with a method called "Schwartz//MaxJ" where we elect that Schwartz member who maximizes property J. Say that in scenario S, candidate A is elected. Suppose candidate B who is

Re: [EM] Condorcet for public proposals - IMV

2004-01-31 Thread Adam Tarr
For Ernest's proposal, I suggest terms like "Smith-MinMax" or "Smith-Simpson-Kramer". While these are certainly accurate names for the method, Ernest's goal was to come up with a name that catchy and that instantly gives some idea of the method to a layman. "Instant Matchup Voting" does this jo

Re: [EM] Clarifying the definitions

2004-01-31 Thread Adam Tarr
> Markus also said that the academics always define criteria in terms of > actual votes, ballots, rather than mentioning "preference" in the usual > sense of that word. Markus prefers that also. However, the fact that others > only mention ballots doesn't mean that it's somehow improper to refer t

Re: [EM] Condorcet for public proposals - IMV

2004-01-31 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, the term "Ranked Voting" is already used by the CVD for IRV. As far as I know, the term "tournament" usually refers to decision processes where the final winner only depends on who wins against who and not on the strengths of these wins. For Ernest's proposal, I suggest terms like "Smith-

Re: [EM] Clarifying the definitions

2004-01-31 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Mike, you wrote (31 Jan 2004): > Markus says that the academics use "preference" in the way that you > interpreted it. But I believe that my meaning for it is in keeping with > people's usage, and dictionaries, and that, if the academics mean > "preference" as Markus says they do, then it is

Re: [EM] Floyd algorithm?

2004-01-31 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Mike, Floyd has proven that when you consider the possible short-cuts in that very special order that has been proposed by him then a single pass through the triple-loop is sufficient to find all the strongest paths. When the strength of a pairwise defeat is measured primarily by p1 (= the a

[EM] Explanation to Markus

2004-01-31 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
List members-- Markus said (again and again): again: Instead of saying "Wrong. I don't call that the Floyd algorithm." and bombarding those with insults who mentioned that you mistakenly called your implementation "Floyd algorithm", it would have been better if you had said "I don't call that the