Re: [EM] SciAm article

2004-02-13 Thread Kevin Venzke
--- Rob LeGrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > The latest issue (March 2004) of Scientific American has a well-written > article on page 92 called "The Fairest Vote of All". It discusses > plurality, IRV, Borda ("rank-order voting") and Condorcet ("true majority > rule"); the specific system th

Re: [EM] Minimally improving Approval

2004-02-13 Thread Kevin Venzke
Forest, --- Forest Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > How about this: > > A preliminary ranking of the candidates by approval scores is modified by > correcting the single greatest "discrepancy" (if there is any) unless > correcting this discrepancy would create another discrepancy of the s

Re: [EM] SciAm article

2004-02-13 Thread Ernest Prabhakar
On Feb 13, 2004, at 9:59 AM, Rob LeGrand wrote: The latest issue (March 2004) of Scientific American has a well-written article on page 92 called "The Fairest Vote of All". It discusses plurality, IRV, Borda ("rank-order voting") and Condorcet ("true majority rule"); the specific system they rec

[EM] Re: Richard's criteria

2004-02-13 Thread Richard Moore
It occurred to me that the phrase "The method allows full ranking of all candidates" might be sufficient, instead of the more difficult wording of my last message, depending on the correct interpretation of the following: "votes sincerely" and "falsely voting two candidates equal" To help in

Re: [EM] Minimally improving Approval

2004-02-13 Thread Forest Simmons
How about this: A preliminary ranking of the candidates by approval scores is modified by correcting the single greatest "discrepancy" (if there is any) unless correcting this discrepancy would create another discrepancy of the same or greater magnitude. A "discrepancy" is a pair of candidates wh

[EM] SciAm article

2004-02-13 Thread Rob LeGrand
The latest issue (March 2004) of Scientific American has a well-written article on page 92 called "The Fairest Vote of All". It discusses plurality, IRV, Borda ("rank-order voting") and Condorcet ("true majority rule"); the specific system they recommend in the end is Copeland//Borda. Check it ou

[EM] Re: Richard's criteria

2004-02-13 Thread Richard Moore
Last night I wrote that I would add a provision to my definitions to ensure they apply to more than rank methods. Unfortunately I became so focused on interpreting the allowable strategies in the original definitions that I forgot to include that phrasing. I realized my error only after shutting

Re: [EM] Re: Minimal Improvements on Approval

2004-02-13 Thread Kevin Venzke
Mike, Thanks for the reply. --- MIKE OSSIPOFF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > > You're probably familiar with this Approval improvement: > > Voters cast an Approval ballot, but also vote for a 1st choice. If any > candidate is 1st choice of a majority, s/he wins. Otherwise the Approval > win

Re: [EM] Nominations for presidential poll

2004-02-13 Thread Stephane Rouillon
I nominate those three methods just to show how different they work on: Ranked Pair (relative margins), Ranked Pair (winning votes) with an extended graph, IRV with residual approval weights. The last method picks the same winner as IRV but can have different results for other places... Have fun

Re: [EM] poll fever

2004-02-13 Thread Stephane Rouillon
James Green-Armytage a écrit : > "MIKE OSSIPOFF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >No need to pick a method first, because we don't need one winner. Nothing > >wrong with getting different winners by using different methods. In fact, > >that's better, because it tests more methods and compares their

[EM] Re: Minimal Improvements on Approval

2004-02-13 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
You're probably familiar with this Approval improvement: Voters cast an Approval ballot, but also vote for a 1st choice. If any candidate is 1st choice of a majority, s/he wins. Otherwise the Approval winner wins. Bucklin uses rankings, but is probably the best of the easily-counted rank metho

[EM] Markus reply 13 Feb 1140 GMT

2004-02-13 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Ok, Markus, I guess you definitely aren't going to say what you mean by "prefer". And that's ok. You said: an election method is a mapping from a given input to a given output. Where this input comes from or what this input actually represents is of no concern as long as it has the properties re

[EM] 2nd Richard reply on 13 Feb, GMT

2004-02-13 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Richard-- You said: Actually I was able to get to those revisions tonight also. It's possible that I've still made errors in the interpretation of the electionmethods.org wording, but I hope not. I'm sure I'll hear from Mike if I did. I reply: That much is correct. Plurality still meets all 4 of

[EM] Richard reply, 13 Feb, 1112 GMT

2004-02-13 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Richard-- Regarding your revised versions of the majority defensive strategy criteria: Ok, but I've already told you how votes-only versions of those criteria can be written. I described 2 votes-only ways, in my posting entitled "3 Ways of Writing Certain Criteria". One of those ways involves

[EM] Further comments on Richard's criteria

2004-02-13 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Let me add a few additional comments about Richard's message: Richard said: Any of the strategic criteria on the electionmethods.org site can be defined without reference to "sincere preferences" or "favorites". I reply: In my message entitled "3 Ways of Writing Certain Criteria", I said that S

Re: [EM] poll fever

2004-02-13 Thread Gervase Lam
> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:12:09 -0800 > From: James Green-Armytage > Subject: [EM] poll fever > I'd suggest that we give the candidates cardinal ratings from one to a > hundred too, but I guess that may as well be optional, since I don't > want to make this any more complicated than it is alread