Re: Arrow's axioms (was Re: [EM] Re: [Fwd: Election-methods digest, Vol 1 #525 - 9 msgs])

2004-03-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I wrote: > http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2001-August/006566.html > Your response in that post, that Richard's proposed implementation didn't > capture the higher expressivity of dyadic ballots, Sorry, Richard Moore was responding to Roy Johnson's proposal

Re: Arrow's axioms (was Re: [EM] Re: [Fwd: Election-methods digest, Vol 1 #525 - 9 msgs])

2004-03-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Forest Simmons wrote: > As near as I know, the only deterministic method that satisfies > neutrality, anonymity, and the strong FBC (instrumentally as opposed to > merely expressively) is a method that uses additional information beyond > the rankings. [It allows voters to augment their ranked bal

Re: [EM] Simulation results (Approval, utility, Schulze efficiency)

2004-03-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin Venzke wrote: > It's surely a fluke that "Two Evils" outperforms "Zero-Info" here. I > have to doubt that random information could be better than none at all. I wonder if it might make sense to think of the random information as a signal that can be productively exploited to organize coope

Re: [EM] Simulation results (Approval, utility, Schulze "efficiency)

2004-03-04 Thread Richard Moore
Kevin Venzke wrote: "Message: 3 "Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:44:50 +0100 (CET) "From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20Venzke?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Subject: [EM] Simulation results (Approval, utility, Schulze "efficiency) " "Hi all, " "I've been sitting on this for a while, but I'm thin

[EM] Real Ballot Data & Analysis

2004-03-04 Thread Eric Gorr
I am sure others are aware of this data, but I just got my hands on it and spent some time analyzing it with single winner methods. Apparently in Dr. Tideman's research into voting methods, he was able to obtain many (86) ranked ballots from elections held in England. I uploaded everything into

Re: Arrow's axioms (was Re: [EM] Re: [Fwd: Election-methods digest, Vol 1 #525 - 9 msgs])

2004-03-04 Thread Forest Simmons
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Steve Eppley wrote: > > I consider Arrow's axioms justifiable. In the decades > leading up to Arrow's theorem, economists and social > scientists had struggled in vain to find a good way to > compare different individuals' utility differences (known > in the literature as the

Re: [EM] Simulation results (Approval, utility, Schulze efficiency)

2004-03-04 Thread Kevin Venzke
Jan, Thanks for responding. --- Jan Kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > > (Description of it:) > > 1. It generates randomly-sized factions, and their sincere utilities for > every candidate. > > It sounds like you assume that all voters in a faction vote identically. I > would suggest that yo

Re: [EM] Simulation results (Approval, utility, Schulze efficiency)

2004-03-04 Thread Jan Kok
Kevin Venzke wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been sitting on this for a while, but I'm thinking I'll post it now: > > > Here are some results from the simulation I recently wrote about: > > (Description of it:) > 1. It generates randomly-sized factions, and their sincere utilities for every candidate. I

Re: [EM] hand-counting IRV, AER

2004-03-04 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hello, Steve Eppley wrote: > To quickly > tally Instant Runoff by hand: > >Distribute the ballots into piles, each according to >its top-ranked candidate. From the height of each pile, >you can see at a glance which pile has the fewest >ballots. So, if there are more than two

Re: [EM] Re: Arrow's axioms

2004-03-04 Thread Kevin Venzke
Ken, --- Ken Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > > Arrow's axioms could well be justifiable, but his proof doesn't provide > the justification. There may be good reasons why CR should be rejected > as a viable election method, but Arrow's premises don't elucidate those > reasons because i

[EM] Re: Arrow's axioms

2004-03-04 Thread Ken Johnson
From: "Steve Eppley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 06:58:22 -0800 ... I consider Arrow's axioms justifiable. In the decades leading up to Arrow's theorem, economists and social scientists had struggled in vain to find a good way to compare different individuals' utility differen

[EM] Simulation results (Approval, utility, Schulze efficiency)

2004-03-04 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi all, I've been sitting on this for a while, but I'm thinking I'll post it now: Here are some results from the simulation I recently wrote about: (Description of it:) 1. It generates randomly-sized factions, and their sincere utilities for every candidate. 2. The sincere Schulze winner is fo