Re: [EM] March 29 Newsweek article on verifiable voting

2004-04-03 Thread Jan Kok
Dave, I agree that ballot secrecy is important, in order to avoid the possibility of vote buying or coersion. The Newsweek article made that point as well, and I believe all of the schemes presented in the article do provide that secrecy. I do think it's neat that the Votegrity scheme provides t

[EM] E-Voting

2004-04-03 Thread Dave Ketchum
I just read an excellent professional discussion of E-Voting Strategies. I give the URL in one piece, if you are lucky, and two pieces for obvious patching together: http://www.opctj.org/articles/kevin-mcdermott-01-24-2004-142018.html http://www.opctj.org/articles/kevin- mcdermott-01-24-2004-14

Re: [EM] March 29 Newsweek article on verifiable voting

2004-04-03 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:24:41 -0700 Jan Kok wrote: The March 29, 2004 issue of Newsweek magazine has an article about security for electronic voting. Among the proposals mentioned are Rebecca Mercuri's verified voting scheme, which requires that machines print a paper ballot with the voter's choice

Re: [EM] Draft of CVD analysis about IRV vs. Condorcet Voting

2004-04-03 Thread Stephane Rouillon
Ken Taylor a écrit : > And finally, as IRV is immune to this particular strategy (a claim made both > by you and by the author of the article I was responding to), using IRV as a > completion method would also be immune to this particular strategy. And so, > my argument against the contention that

[EM] March 29 Newsweek article on verifiable voting

2004-04-03 Thread Jan Kok
The March 29, 2004 issue of Newsweek magazine has an article about security for electronic voting. Among the proposals mentioned are Rebecca Mercuri's verified voting scheme, which requires that machines print a paper ballot with the voter's choices, that the voter can then check for accuracy; D

[EM] To James A., about Bucklin & ERIRV

2004-04-03 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I'd said: Approval & CR are the 2nd best, if we're talking about proposed methods. Bucklin and ERBucklin(whole) are between Condorcet and Approval, in merit. But Bucklin & ERBucklin(whole) aren't proposed. James A.

Re: [EM] Does the 'Independence of Irrelevant Alternatives

2004-04-03 Thread Richard Moore
Ken Johnson wrote: In your earlier post (Election-methods digest, Vol 1 #576, Message 7) you defined INI ("Independence of Non-supporting Information") as "If X wins and Y loses, and margin(X,Z) <= margin(Y,Z), then removing candidate Z from the election shall not cause Y to win and X to lose." Th

[EM] Does the 'Independence of Irrelevant Alternatives Criterion' Imply...

2004-04-03 Thread Ken Johnson
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:39:43 -0800 From: Richard Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... But what did you think of INI? -- Richard In your earlier post (Election-methods digest, Vol 1 #576, Message 7) you defined INI ("Independence of Non-supporting Information") as "If X wins and Y loses, and marg

Re: [EM] Draft of CVD analysis about IRV vs. Condorcet Voting

2004-04-03 Thread Ken Taylor
James Wrote, responding to me: > >I may have worded my response to the article too strongly. However, your > >example, reposted here: > >46: A>B > >44: B>C (instead of B>A) > >5: C>A > >5: C>B > > Please note that there is a second example at the end of that posting; > one which is stronger in that

Re: [EM] Draft of CVD analysis about IRV vs. Condorcet Voting

2004-04-03 Thread RLSuter
To James and Ernie, Thanks very much for your comments. I agree with Ernie that it's important to be civil. If my comments regarding the CVD draft seemed unnecessarily combative, that was not my intention, and I'll try to be more careful in the future. But please keep in mind that I was respond

Re: [EM] Condorcet subject to burying

2004-04-03 Thread Bart Ingles
IMO a Condorcet winner weak enough to have the election stolen through strategy probably deserves to lose the election. Regardless of the cycle breaking method, a weak CW is subject to prisoner's dilemma, and to what could be called "apathetic truncation." Neither should be considered a real-wor

[EM] Condorcet subject to burying

2004-04-03 Thread Stephane Rouillon
I just wanted to point out that I support James (Armitage) analysis that any cycle breaking method applied to a Condorcet method makes it subject to the unsincere ranking strategy called burying (not "digging" as I previously said) independently of the criteria used (winning votes, margins or relat