Re: [EM] March 29 Newsweek article on verifiable voting

2004-04-04 Thread Adam Tarr
Dave Ketchum wrote: >> How about leaning on IMPORTANT topics: >> >> How well do these schemes attend to voter secrecy? >> Without secrecy, voters can sell "voting right" to those willing >> to pay for such. >> Without assurance that secrecy is being maintained, voters can >> PROPERLY fea

Re: [EM] March 29 Newsweek article on verifiable voting

2004-04-04 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 12:51:59 -0500 Adam Tarr wrote: > Dave Ketchum wrote: > >> How about leaning on IMPORTANT topics: >> >> How well do these schemes attend to voter secrecy? >> Without secrecy, voters can sell "voting right" to those willing >> to pay for such. >> Without assurance that

Re: [EM] March 29 Newsweek article on verifiable voting

2004-04-04 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:11:44 -0700 Ernest Prabhakar wrote: > Hi all, > > On Apr 3, 2004, at 11:45 PM, Jan Kok wrote: > >> David Chaum's Votegrity scheme, which uses cryptographic methods >> tomaintain >> ballot secrecy while also allowing voters to verify that their votes are >> counted correctly (

Re: [EM] Re: Approval STV

2004-04-04 Thread Kevin Venzke
Chris, --- Chris Benham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Kevin, > You wrote (Wed.Mar.31): > > >A method I would rank between Condorcet and Approval is AER, or "Approval STV." > >It's IRV, but the elimination order is based on approval. Because the approval > >counts don't change, and the elim

Re: serious centrist candidate Re: [EM] my letter to CVD

2004-04-04 Thread James Green-Armytage
This is James Green-Armytage replying to Ernest Prabhakar >It seems to me that it is more or less an article of faith among >Condorcet/Approval supporters that "if we build it, they will come." Haha. Yes, that's a good way of putting it. > >That is, as long as we have an election metho

[EM] Marcus Schulze 2003 on Bucklin's technical shortcomings

2004-04-04 Thread Chris Benham
http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2003-September/010803.html Dear John B. Hodges, you wrote (1 Sep 2003): > This method has been called "Generalized Bucklin", and AFAICT > could also be called "Majority Choice Approval". My question, > for on

[EM] Approval vs ERIRV with AERLO

2004-04-04 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
If you trade Approval for ERIRV with AERLO, you're trading FBC for SDSC. If the choice were only between Approval and ERIRV with AERLO, I'd probablly choose ERIRV with AERLO, unless that od's FBC violation turned out to be frequent and flagrant. This is in answer to the question about how E

Re: [EM] my letter to CVD

2004-04-04 Thread James Green-Armytage
Adam Tarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I think you're being a bit too kind to IRV here. Say it was a general >election in an area with a large progressive base, and the 22% Democrat >was >actually a Green. If the Green loses first, the Democrat wins 55%-45%, >but >if a few Republicans push the

Re: [EM] March 29 Newsweek article on verifiable voting

2004-04-04 Thread Ernest Prabhakar
Hi all, On Apr 3, 2004, at 11:45 PM, Jan Kok wrote: David Chaum's Votegrity scheme, which uses cryptographic methods tomaintain ballot secrecy while also allowing voters to verify that their votes are counted correctly (see www.votegrity.com); "A similar system [to Votegrity] sold by sftware ve

Re: [EM] my letter to CVD

2004-04-04 Thread Bart Ingles
This raises a question which has been in the back of my mind for a while: what percentage of IRV's IIA violations are actually monotonicity violations as well? I have always assumed that non-monotonicity implies non-IIA, but not necessarily the reverse. Monotonicity seems related to the partici

Re: [EM] my letter to CVD

2004-04-04 Thread Adam Tarr
James Green-Armytage wrote: I agree that lacking monotonicity isn't a huge problem for IRV. It does have *some* tactical significance, but it's not fatal. Actually I think that the problem is theoretically worse in the traditional two round runoff. For example, a case where a Republican h

Re: [EM] March 29 Newsweek article on verifiable voting

2004-04-04 Thread Adam Tarr
Dave Ketchum wrote: How about leaning on IMPORTANT topics: How well do these schemes attend to voter secrecy? Without secrecy, voters can sell "voting right" to those willing to pay for such. Without assurance that secrecy is being maintained, voters can PROPERLY fear that, if they da

serious centrist candidate Re: [EM] my letter to CVD

2004-04-04 Thread Ernest Prabhakar
Hi James, Great stuff. Overall I think both your analysis (of the issues) and your approach (of respectful engagement) is an excellent model of how to deal with IRV (and other controversial voting issues). The only area of minor disagreement I had is that I felt you were slightly more pessimi

[EM] my letter to CVD

2004-04-04 Thread James Green-Armytage
Dear Election Methods fans, Here is a copy of the letter which I wrote to CVD in reply to their IRV vs. Condorcet draft, minus a few deletions. Comments are more than welcome. all my best, James __ Dear Mr. Richie and Mr. Bouricius,