Re: [EM] Efforts to improve on CR's strategy

2004-05-20 Thread Bart Ingles
Ken Johnson wrote: Bart, Here's a link to #597, http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2004-April/012689.html (Search the text for num_candidate=10.) Thanks. In your 10 candidate, 1 issue trial, are you able to account for why sincere CR, exaggerated CR,

Re: [EM] Efforts to improve on CR's strategy

2004-05-20 Thread Bart Ingles
Bart Ingles wrote: The usual sincere strategy is to approve all candidates where CR is greater than the mean CR of all candidates. I'm not sure if that was clear. In other words, if a voter assigns a CR of -0.4, 0.2, and 0.9 to each of three candidates in a 3-way election, the voter

[EM] Tie-Breaking Strategies for Tideman's Ranked Pairs Method

2004-05-20 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, Tideman suggests to take successively the strongest pairwise defeat XY and to lock it in its original direction X Y if it does not create a directed cycle with already locked pairwise defeats and in its opposite direction Y X otherwise. The winner of Tideman's ranked pairs method is

[EM] Efforts to improve on CR's strategy

2004-05-20 Thread Ken Johnson
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 23:24:29 -0700 From: Bart Ingles [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In your 10 candidate, 1 issue trial, are you able to account for why sincere CR, exaggerated CR, Condorcet, Borda, IRV, and Plurality all yield exactly the same average across 100,000 elections? It looks like top-two

[EM] SSFC is attainable if we accept 0-winner outcome. Maybe if we don't?

2004-05-20 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Not only is SSFC attainable at that price, but so is this more ambitious criterion: Strong Sincere Strategy Criterion (SSSC): If a majorilty prefer X to Y, and vote sincerely, then Y shouldn't win. [end of SSSC definition] Here's a method that meets SCCC and SFCC (any method that meets SSSC

[EM] A weaker SSFC, and a stronger SDSC

2004-05-20 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
A Weaker SSFC: If, instead of saying that if the majority preferring the CW to Y vote sincerely, then Y should lose, we could say that that majority has a sincere way of voting that ensures that Y will lose. That makes the criterion easy to meet. In fact, if we make it that easy, we don't even

[EM] Re: Efforts to Improve on CR's Strategy

2004-05-20 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Bart had said: ... In your 10 candidate, 1 issue trial, are you able to account for why sincere CR, exaggerated CR, Condorcet, Borda, IRV, and Plurality all yield exactly the same average across 100,000 elections? It looks like top-two Runoff is within 0.1% of the same score. I think it's simply

Re: [EM] Re: Efforts to Improve on CR's Strategy

2004-05-20 Thread Brian Olson
On May 20, 2004, at 6:03 PM, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: Here's a conceptual example that I think better illustrates the problem that I observed. Suppose you vote in an election in which there are 6 candidates and you have no idea how anyone else votes. Your sincere CR profile for candidates A ... F is

Re: [EM] Efforts to improve on CR's strategy

2004-05-20 Thread Brian Olson
On May 20, 2004, at 4:46 PM, Ken Johnson wrote: Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 23:24:29 -0700 From: Bart Ingles [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In your 10 candidate, 1 issue trial, are you able to account for why sincere CR, exaggerated CR, Condorcet, Borda, IRV, and Plurality all yield exactly the same average

Re: [EM] Efforts to improve on CR's strategy

2004-05-20 Thread Bart Ingles
Clarification: Here's what I think of as a single-issue trial: Assume a single (unnamed) issue, in which any voter or candidate can take a position pro or con. You have 3 candidates (A, B, and C) who are at positions +.7, +.2, -.5. You also have a number of voters who each can be placed

[EM] Bolson reply

2004-05-20 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Bolson-- I'd said: If you do anything other than mutliplying all of a particular voter's ratings by the same factor, then you'll get something that's meaningless. You replied: I think the operation being applied to each rating of a voter is f(r) = m * r + b That's what I assumed was meant too,

[EM] Ease of Voting

2004-05-20 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I agree with most of what you said. Condorcet is the easy-voting method. Little or no need for any kind of strategy. Just rank sincerely, as we did in the recent EM poll. It's true that IRV has strategy problems that will sometimes be serious. Approval isn't so difficult. Its strategy is no