Re: [EM] Pseudo-election reform in California

2004-06-01 Thread Brian Olson
On May 31, 2004, at 6:47 PM, Dr.Ernie Prabhakar wrote: One of my favorite columnists, Dan Walters, is talking about a new approach to California's politicized, gerrymandered primaries: http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/columns/walters/story/9490344p -10414306c.html The new plan would

Re: [EM] Pseudo-election reform in California

2004-06-01 Thread Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
On Jun 1, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Brian Olson wrote: On May 31, 2004, at 6:47 PM, Dr.Ernie Prabhakar wrote: The justification for multiple rounds, I suspect, is that primary campaigns will still tend to be lower-profile, and more sectarian, compared to the fall general election. At any rate, it is

Re: [EM] Pseudo-election reform in California

2004-06-01 Thread Curt Siffert
Regarding California/French Runoff: Yes, this is the part that makes is difficult to make an apples-to-apples comparison with IRV. I agree. On Jun 1, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote: ... people participate in general elections than in primaries. So, I guess I would qualify as

Re: [EM] Pseudo-election reform in California

2004-06-01 Thread bql
On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote: I agree that Plurality in the first round suffers from all the same problems as Plurality in the final election. So, my question is -- if people *want* a two-round system, what is the most efficient election method to use? I think Ranked

Re: [EM] Pseudo-election reform in California

2004-06-01 Thread Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
Hi all, On Jun 1, 2004, at 3:38 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote: Recent French elections demonstrated need for something better than Plurality plus rerun. I believe they also demonstrated that IRV does not cut it - IRV too easily locks out acceptable candidates when minorities each rate a few minor

[EM] Pseudo-election reform in California

2004-06-01 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Sure, that's the old Runoff method. Runoff is a big improvement over Plurality, and Runoff guarantees that a CW will win if s/he comes in 1st or 2nd in the initial Plurality count. Of course we could do better than Runoff. Approval with one balloting would be better. But of course there are