[EM] EM] recommendations (single-winner)

2004-09-02 Thread Chris Benham
Participants / anyone interested, In my opinion, the most important/serious category of  single-winner method  is (1)  plain  rankings-ballot methods in which voters are asked to simply rank the candidates. Truncation should be allowed, and allowing equal non-last ranking  is

Re: [EM] Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread James Green-Armytage
Ralph, I agree with you very strongly on this issue. This is pretty much what I've been saying since Nader announced he was running: he needs to (attempt to, at least) trade a partial endorsement to Kerry in exchange for platform concessions. So, I'd be happy to join your effort.

[EM] recommendations

2004-09-02 Thread Kevin Lamoreau
James G.-A., you wrote: > Are you aware of Tideman's ranked pairs method? I believe that it is very > similar to MAM. To be honest, I don't think about tiebreaking nuances, > because to me, a tie should just be called a tie. (Not a majority rule > cycle, but an actual tie given the basic rul

[EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Eric Gorr
Let's keep these kinds of discussions off the list. I am not interested. No, it does not matter how important you think your final thought is...I am not interested. If you would like a suggestion on an appropriate location for such discussions, I would be happy to provide them off-list. Paul K

[EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Rob Brown
Paul Kislanko airmail.net> writes: > Yep. You got it. Kerry's hold on his votes is very tenuous. If he even looks > like he's asking Nader for "help", he's toast. That's crazy. I don't doubt that there is *someone* out there that thinks that illogically, but given that this would instantly giv

RE: [EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Paul Kislanko
Yep. You got it. Kerry's hold on his votes is very tenuous. If he even looks like he's asking Nader for "help", he's toast. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Brown Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

[EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Rob Brown
Paul Kislanko airmail.net> writes: > If Kerry were even to ACKNOWLEDGE Nader, Bush would win in a landslide > because most of the reluctant Kerry voters still blame Nader for "electing" > Bush. Lemme try to follow your logic. Kerry voters are angry at Nader for causing Bush to be elected. Howe

RE: [EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Paul Kislanko
NO THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA If Kerry "negotiates with Nader" Kerry will lose about half of his "core" supporters and EVERYBODY who is "in the middle." Nader is accomplishing nothing by running except trying to get Bush re-elected. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL P

RE: [EM] Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Paul Kislanko
Is this another one of those republican tricks that have been going around? If Kerry were even to ACKNOWLEDGE Nader, Bush would win in a landslide because most of the reluctant Kerry voters still blame Nader for "electing" Bush. The RNC has been starting a lot of Yahoo! Groups labeled "non-parti

[EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Rob Brown
This is a very good idea, and I will help if I can. Some time ago, I had the idea to start a site with the goal of convincing Nader fans that voting for him was a bad idea, but unlike other such sites, mine would have a technical emphasis and explain why our plurality system is so broken (and t

[EM] Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread RLSuter
Dear election-methods subscribers: The following is a draft message I'm planning to begin distributing tomorrow. The initiative involves a new KerryNader Yahoo list focused on the goal of getting Kerry and Nader to negotiate. As explained on the list page, I'm looking for both strong Nader support

[EM] Hybrid ranking / approval ballot design

2004-09-02 Thread Rob Brown
I was thinking that, while ranking all candidates is preferable (IMO) to approval voting (since there is almost no strategy involved in the former assuming a good tabulation method), making a ballot that can rank a large number of candidates is very difficult and/or expensive to implement, and

Re: [EM] Re: Ranked choice ballots

2004-09-02 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:08:43 + (UTC) Rob Brown wrote: Dave Ketchum clarityconnect.com> writes: I propose a ballot looking just like plurality would use to let voters mark an "X" for one candidate. Here voters could rank as many of the candidates as they chose: Either 0-9 or A-Z would be

[EM] Re: voting machines

2004-09-02 Thread Rob Brown
David GLAUDE gmx.net> writes: > Releasing into public domain is not really the best choice if at all > possible... Why not? > Who are we to judge on somebody else democracy? > Let's try to fix our problem first... I didn't suggest we TRY to fix anyone else's problems, I just said, if other

Re: [EM] Re: voting machines

2004-09-02 Thread David GLAUDE
Rob Brown wrote: Dave Ketchum clarityconnect.com> writes: Agreed BUT: If someone writes usable code, AND makes it public, what stops someone else copying the code without paying those who did the work? The main reason for not copying the code is copyright law. You can only do what the licence of

Re: [EM] beatpath tiebreaking (question)

2004-09-02 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Stephen, you wrote (2 Sep 2004): > My question is about tiebreaking in the Schulze method > (beatpath method). > > Suppose the part before the tiebreak has yielded more > than one potential winner, and at least one candidate > has been eliminated. Is there any reason why we can´t > just iter

[EM] beatpath tiebreaking (question)

2004-09-02 Thread Stephen Turner
My question is about tiebreaking in the Schulze method (beatpath method). Suppose the part before the tiebreak has yielded more than one potential winner, and at least one candidate has been eliminated. Is there any reason why we can´t just iterate the method, the difference this time being that