Dear Steve!
Thanks for the clarification!
Here's a bit more detail. Suppose a voter not only has the
preference order A B C, she also is indifferent between the
following two lotteries:
1. A has a 1/3 chance of being elected, and C a 2/3 chance.
2. B is elected with certainty. (A
Hi,
Jobst wrote:
Steve wrote:
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Jobst, does a person behave differently when forced
to choose between
two alternatives about which he is
undecided than when forced to
choose between two he
believes are equivalent? Why should the distinction
affect the design of the voting method?
I agree with Rob.
All the different unusual pairwise preferences sets (disjoint, cyclic or containing
equal
preferences or any combinations) are a contribution to the election. It only
uses other votes to precise its linear ccomplete ranking equivalent.
Is that a good choice for a voter?
BTW, I never understood where the term first past the post comes from. It
doesn't seem very descriptive. Anyone have any insight into this?
No insight.
But not only is FPTP not very descriptive, it seems actually
misleading. It implies there is some concrete goal to reach. But in
plurality
Dear Steve!
you wrote:
Well, first a minor point... I believe the word
linear is not used when there are equivalences.
A linear ordering means the same as a strict
ordering. When there are equivalences, the term
in the literature is usually weak ordering.
(I sometimes call a weak
Jobst Heitzig heitzig-j at web.de writes:
Dear Rob!
you wrote:
In a ranking, I cannot tie A=C, B=C, A=D, and B=D
and simultaneously express AB and CD.
True, and you shouldn't be able to, because that is (in my opinion) illogical
and contradictory.
But some ranking systems DO allow you
Rob Brown Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:40 PM
BTW, I never understood where the term first past the post
comes from. It doesn't seem very descriptive.
Anyone have any insight into this?
You have obviously never seen a horse race! First past the post (the winning post!)
is a
Sigh. FPTP was introduced just so we'd have another synonym for Plurality.
Its etymology is likely due to media types harping on polls all the way the
up the election over time. A is ahead by a neck with B coming up hard on
the outside with a week to go as an analogy to coming into the last turn
I am curious as to how you decided that gun control was my most important
issue, considering that it was given in the example that abortion was.
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Jobst's original suggestion was that voters be allowed to rank A and B
equally, AB, BA or neither A nor B. It was dismissed as unnecessary since
he could just create a ranked ballot from which his individual preferences
could be inferred.
That is not possible.
It wasn't about whether his
Rob wrote:
True, and you shouldn't be able to, because that is (in my opinion)
illogical and contradictory.
To which I reply you are entitled to your opinion, but if you cannot prove
that all orderings of n-1 candidates by a single voter will be consistent
with the orderings of n candidates by
Paul Kislanko kislanko at airmail.net writes:
I find it amazing that the list thinks we should ignore voters' preferences
when defining an election method.
Well, if you are going to respect all their preferences, even if those
preferences are contradictory, why not also have ballots that
Paul Kislanko kislanko at airmail.net writes:
To which I reply you are entitled to your opinion, but if you cannot prove
that all orderings of n-1 candidates by a single voter will be consistent
with the orderings of n candidates by THE SAME voter for ALL voters, then
your opinion doesn't
I always thought the term would have been more descriptive of approval
voting. To go with the Olympic sprint analogy, each runner has his or
her own lane to run in. The presence of slower runners has no bearing
on the length of the race or on the amount of time it takes for the
winner to reach
If you want to remove all ballot restrictions, you might as well allow
the voter to indicate all four options simultaneously. Or at least AB
and BA, which can easily be done on the same matrix. This is after all
just another cyclical preference.
Paul Kislanko wrote:
Jobst's original
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