[EM] axioms for lotteries

2005-02-25 Thread Forest Simmons
Let P represent the set of candidates that have a positive probability of winning, i.e. P is the support of the winning lottery. What if we require the following? 1. The set P cannot be empty. 2. Any candidate that has more approval than some member of P must also be a member of P. 3. Any can

[EM] Re: Who First Proposed Winning Votes?

2005-02-25 Thread Dgamble997
Mike Ossipoff wrote What is it, that with all your namecalling and claims of superiority, you need my definitions and the wv Condorcet class of methods that I proposed? I know Mike Ossipoff advocates WV as opposed to WM for the completion of methods such as Ranked Pairs, Schulze, etc Was he ac

Re: [EM] Re: Condorcet package-wvx

2005-02-25 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:14:00 -0800 Ted Stern wrote: More comments on Dave's proposal for single winner elections: On 23 Feb 2005 at 01:00 PST, Dave Ketchum wrote: Trying to define a complete Condorcet based election method: <...justification...> How vote? I suggest one list of candidates, with roo

[EM] Re: Condorcet package-wvx

2005-02-25 Thread Ted Stern
More comments on Dave's proposal for single winner elections: On 23 Feb 2005 at 01:00 PST, Dave Ketchum wrote: > > Trying to define a complete Condorcet based election method: <...justification...> > > How vote? I suggest one list of candidates, with room beside each for > ranking. Ranks read

[EM] Enough is enough

2005-02-25 Thread Alex Small
>Again, Rob L., Russ is posting something that has no bearing on EM´s topic. Did you hear the one where the pot said to the kettle "Hey, you're black!"?   All you guys are doing is convincing me that your educations (or lack thereof, or whatever) are irrelevant to the fact that you're both making y

[EM] Re: Condorcet package-wvx

2005-02-25 Thread Ted Stern
On 24 Feb 2005 at 22:58 PST, Daniel Bishop wrote: > >>> At least for single-winner Condorcet elections, I don't think it's >>> necessary to explicitly count X=Y as (0.5 X>Y + 0.5 Y>X) as long as >>> they are equivalent in the sense of >>> >>> >> >>I'm not counting ranked ballots that way. I'm argu

Re: [EM] Markus reply

2005-02-25 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Mike, you wrote (25 Feb 2005): > It's easy to make a general claim like that, which is > why you make it instead of stating what you think is > unclear in the definitions. Forget about asking me for > clear definitions or convincing me. There's no need > to convince me, if you can convince ot

[EM] Russ and his pecking order

2005-02-25 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
My mention of Russ and his degree was an incidenal part of a larger posting about voting system statements. But this posting that I´m replying to now is entirely about Russ´s brags, and his opinions of me. Again, Rob L., Russ is posting something that has no bearing on EM´s topic. Russ said: Wh

[EM] Russ and the pecking-order

2005-02-25 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
My mention of Russ and his degree was an incidenal part of a larger posting about voting system statements. But this posting that I´m replying to now is entirely about Russ´s brags, and his opinions of me. Again, Rob L., Russ is posting something that has no bearing on EM´s topic. Russ said: Wh

[EM] Markus reply

2005-02-25 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I´d said: Bruce Anderson, Markus, Blake, and Richard have been kind enough to industriously help look for faults in the criteria, often very valianly and tenaciously. But without finding problems in the criteria. Markus replied: I would rather say that I gave up asking you for clear definitions. I

Re: [EM] Re: Condorcet package-wvx

2005-02-25 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:32:29 -0600 Daniel Bishop wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:01:11 -0800 Russ Paielli wrote: ... On the theoretical side, what exactly would an equal-ranking capability accomplish? Does it give the voter some significant strategic mechanism, or is it simply w

[EM] Russ reply, 1235 GMT, 2/25/05

2005-02-25 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I´d said: What does it mean to "prove" a criterion? :-) One defines a criterion. Then one might prove one or methods' compliance or noncompliance with it. Is Russ trying to say that never proved methods' compliance or noncompliance with the criteria? Russ replied: You know that's what I meant,

Re: [EM] Re: Condorcet package-wvx

2005-02-25 Thread Daniel Bishop
Dave Ketchum wrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:01:11 -0800 Russ Paielli wrote: ... On the theoretical side, what exactly would an equal-ranking capability accomplish? Does it give the voter some significant strategic mechanism, or is it simply way for the voter to express indecision? If it's the lat

Re: [EM] Re: Condorcet package-wvx

2005-02-25 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:01:11 -0800 Russ Paielli wrote: Let raise both a practical and a theoretical concern about equal rankings in Condorcet voting. First the practical concern. Think about how an equal-ranking capability would would work on a touch-screen voting machine. I've actually designe

Re: [EM] Re: Condorcet package-wvx

2005-02-25 Thread Russ Paielli
Let raise both a practical and a theoretical concern about equal rankings in Condorcet voting. First the practical concern. Think about how an equal-ranking capability would would work on a touch-screen voting machine. I've actually designed and programmed a full-featured GUI for voting (http: