[EM] Markus, 2 March, ´05, 1130 GMT

2005-03-02 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Markus said: I said that criteria should be defined on the _cast_ preferences and not on the _sincere_ preferences. I didn't say that criteria shouldn't be defined on preferences at all. I reply: A vote isn´t a preference. A vote might be based on a preference, though often it is not. If a vote

[EM] Markus, 2 March, ´05, 1317 GMT

2005-03-02 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Markus-- You said: I wrote (27 Feb 2005): So you say that it is impossible to define WDSC, SDSC, and FBC in terms of cast preferences? You wrote (27 Feb 2005): Either it's impossible, or else no one has yet succeeded. Does it matter which it is? Yes, it does matter. Election methods are defined on

[EM] Re: optimal Condorcet truncation

2005-03-02 Thread Chris Benham
Russ, In my last post in this thread, I wrote: "A more useful criterion is the normal (as opposed to Mike-style) criterion taken from Blake Cretney's website: Name: Secret Preferences Criterion: SPC Application: Ranked ballots Definition: If alternative X wins, and some of

[EM] Kevin, 2 March, ´'5, 1425 GMT

2005-03-02 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Kevin said: I think, in short, that the situation (of odds distribution) is not relevant to FBC. I reply: Ok, now I know what Markus meant by situation. He meant an outcome that is a lottery. There are 2 answers to Markus´s question, depending on whether we call his lotteries the outcomes, or

Re: [EM] Markus, 2 March, '05, 1317 GMT

2005-03-02 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Mike, I wrote (27 Feb 2005): Election methods are defined on _cast_ preferences and not on _sincere_ preferences. Therefore, whether a given election method passes a given criterion must depend only on how this method handles _cast_ preferences. Therefore, a criterion can be well

Re: [EM] Markus, 2 March, 1349 GMT

2005-03-02 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Mike, I wrote (28 Feb 2005): Suppose your sincere preference is ABCDE. Suppose in situation #1, candidate A is elected with a probability of 60% and candidate B with a probability of 40%. Suppose in situation #2, candidate A is elected with a probability of 70%, candidate B with a

[EM] Preference Cascades

2005-03-02 Thread Ted Stern
An interesting item I just read: http://instapundit.com/archives/021490.php This illustrates, in a mild way, the reason why totalitarian regimes collapse so suddenly. . . . Such regimes have little legitimacy, but they spend a lot of effort making sure that citizens

Re: [EM] R. B. MacSmith

2005-03-02 Thread Forest Simmons
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Jobst Heitzig wrote: Dear Forest! When I understand you right, you propose to just strike out all strongly covered candidates and then use Random Ballot on the rest, right? But then there must be some error in your proof of monotonicity, I fear -- look at the following

[EM] Russ, 2 March, 1952 GMT

2005-03-02 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I´d said: No, the Condorcet's Criterion that was at the website at the technical evaluation page was a Mike style criterioni entirely. It referred to the CW (which you called the IDW, defined as I define the CW), and it stipulated sincere voting. Both the CW and sincere voting are defined