Re: [EM] Sincere methods

2005-03-30 Thread Juho Laatu
On Mar 30, 2005, at 02:53, Gervase Lam wrote: Should I thus read your comment so that you see MinMax (margins) as a sincere method (the best one, or just one good sincere method) whose weaknesses with strategic voting can best be patched by using Raynaud (Margins)? Roughly speaking yes, but not ex

[EM] Approval Strategies

2005-03-30 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Forest: You were the first proponent of the Approval strategy that I call Better-Than-Expectation. It's certainly one of the best, maybe the best unless the voter has a strong opinion about 2 frontrunners, or about whether, for a particular candidate, the threat of someone worse winning is wor

[EM] Re: BeatpathWinner is SSD

2005-03-30 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Markus-- You said: BeatpathWinner _is_ SSD _is_ CSSD in so far as all of them share this property: If p(z)[A,B] > p(z)[B,A], then candidate B must be elected with zero probability. If you don't agree with this then please post an example where this is not true. I reply: If sharing a property ma

[EM] Voting paradoxes

2005-03-30 Thread Joseph Malkevitch
Dear Friends, Some of you might enjoy looking at this abstract for a talk that Noga Alon gave at the Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences last night. http://www.math.nyu.edu/~pach/geom_seminar/spring_2005/alon032905abs.ps You can find the papers related to this talk on the web at Noga Alon'

Re: [EM] Sincere methods

2005-03-30 Thread Gervase Lam
> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:00:12 + > From: Gervase Lam > Subject: Re: [EM] Sincere methods > If you want something a bit more strategic resistant, Reynaud(Margins) > might be a good step up. Schulze(Margins) (also known as Cloneproof Schwartz Sequential Dropping and Beatpath etc...) is poss

Re: [EM] LNHarm performance: CDTT and Schulze

2005-03-30 Thread Gervase Lam
> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:24:00 +0200 (CEST) > From: Kevin Venzke > Subject: [EM] LNHarm performance: CDTT and Schulze > I wrote a simulation to measure the rate of LNHarm failures under > certain circumstances. I've used it to compare a CDTT method, > Schulze(wv), Schulze(margins), and Schulze(

Re: [EM] DMC,AWP,AM

2005-03-30 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Forest! You wrote: > I wonder if the following Approval Margins Sort (AMS) is equivalent to > your Approval Margins method: > > 1. List the alternatives in order of approval with highest approval at > the top of the list. > > 2. While any adjacent pair of alternatives is out of order pairw

[EM] Re: Definite Majority Choice, AWP, AM

2005-03-30 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Ted! You wrote: > Chris & Jobst: Please take careful note -- the DMC defeat strength > assertion has not been proved rigorously, to my knowledge! It is > worth a very careful look before basing any other assumptions on it. The following proves that the only immune candidate is the least app

[EM] Re: DMC,AWP,AM

2005-03-30 Thread Forest Simmons
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Forest Simmons wrote: Chris, I wonder if the following Approval Margins Sort (AMS) is equivalent to your Approval Margins method: 1. List the alternatives in order of approval with highest approval at the top of the list. 2. While any adjacent pair of alternatives is out of

[EM] Re: DMC,AWP,AM

2005-03-30 Thread Araucaria Araucana
On 30 Mar 2005 at 10:51 UTC-0800, Forest Simmons wrote: > Chris, > > I wonder if the following Approval Margins Sort (AMS) is equivalent to > your Approval Margins method: > > 1. List the alternatives in order of approval with highest approval at the > top of the list. > > 2. While any adjacent pai

[EM] DMC,AWP,AM

2005-03-30 Thread Forest Simmons
Chris, I wonder if the following Approval Margins Sort (AMS) is equivalent to your Approval Margins method: 1. List the alternatives in order of approval with highest approval at the top of the list. 2. While any adjacent pair of alternatives is out of order pairwise ... among all such pairs

[EM] Re: Definite Majority Choice, AWP, AM

2005-03-30 Thread Araucaria Araucana
On 30 Mar 2005 at 06:51 UTC-0800, Chris Benham wrote: > Jobst, > You wrote (Thur.Mar.24): > > "First, I'd like to emphasize that DMC, AWP, and AM > can be thought of as being essentially the same method > with only different definition of defeat strength, so > it seems quite natural to compare them

Re: [EM] election-methods-electorama.com@electorama.com

2005-03-30 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Chris! You wrote: > Jobst, > You and Marcus are (often) very quick responders! > Unfortunately "Democratic Fair Choice" incorporates > more than one feature to which I'm allergic. Sorry to hear of your allergies... > I am strongly of the view that as far as possible, > the result of the e

[EM] election-methods-electorama.com@electorama.com

2005-03-30 Thread Chris Benham
Jobst, You and Marcus are (often) very quick responders! Unfortunately "Democratic Fair Choice" incorporates more than one feature to which I'm allergic. As I put it in a previous post: I am strongly of the view that as far as possible, the result of the election should be determined purely by th

Re: [EM]Definite Majority Choice, AWP, AM

2005-03-30 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Chris! You wrote: > I like this table. Thanks. > Doesn't AM look like the most "natural" and "balanced"? Yes, but that's only an aesthetical judgement... > I was wondering if it is possible in AM for a > candidate who is both the sincere CW and sincere AW to > successfully Buried, and I'

[EM]Definite Majority Choice, AWP, AM

2005-03-30 Thread Chris Benham
Jobst, You wrote (Thur.Mar.24): "First, I'd like to emphasize that DMC, AWP, and AM can be thought of as being essentially the same method with only different definition of defeat strength, so it seems quite natural to compare them in detail as you started. Recall that the DMC winner is the uniqu