Re: [EM] The wiki questionaire

2005-06-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 10:36 AM 6/15/2005, Chris Benham wrote: Why stop at only two elections?". I don't know any good answer to that. One of my general points is that elections, especially elections for representatives, are inherently unfair, for they almost guarantee that some voters will end up unrepresent

Re: [EM] The wiki questionaire

2005-06-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 06:12 PM 6/14/2005, Jobst Heitzig wrote: What I meant was this: When a voter expressed that s/he prefers A to B, we interpret this to mean that if s/he could choose between A and B, she would choose A. Now what do we think the voter would choose when s/he put A and B at equal ranks? Do we assu

[EM] Contd, Oops!

2005-06-15 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I don't know if my other message will post. Kevin-- You said: I doubt that SOACC can be satisfied. Actually, I doubt that even strong FBC can be satisfied, since who you rank in first place can affect which other voters' AERLOptions are "activated." What if they, in general, don't favor the sa

[EM] Kevin: Oops! It's a matter of finding out how much of SOACC & SFBC can be saved.

2005-06-15 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Kevin-- You said: I doubt that SOACC can be satisfied. Actually, I doubt that even strong FBC can be satisfied, since who you rank in first place can affect which other voters' AERLOptions are "activated." What if they, in general, don't favor the same candidates as you? If you cause them to ge

Re: [EM] Re: the simplest election reform

2005-06-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Kevin Venzke wrote: Ted, --- Araucaria Araucana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : Approval voting is a reasonable first step. But what do you do about current top-two runoffs, or primaries in general? You should be glad to be rid of top-two runoffs -

RE: [EM] Re: the simplest election reform

2005-06-15 Thread Kevin Venzke
Ted, --- Araucaria Araucana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Approval voting is a reasonable first step. But what do you do about > current top-two runoffs, or primaries in general? > > Most of the highly-regarded single-winner methods discussed here > involve eliminating the primary in addition

[EM] Minor corrections to yesterday's postings

2005-06-15 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Just to somewhat neaten-up (but not necessarily perfect) this definition: Acceptable/Unacceptable situation: For a particular voter, an acceptable/unacceptable situation exists if, for that voter, all the candidates are in two sets such that the voter would rather maximize the probability tha

[EM] Re: the simplest election reform

2005-06-15 Thread Araucaria Araucana
On 15 Jun 2005 at 14:25 UTC-0700, Abd ulRahman Lomax wrote: > It *might* be a much easier reform to accomplish. Approval is > extremely simple to understand and, as often noted, no ballot > changes are needed, beyond some changes in ballot instructions. The > fact appears to be that these changes w

[EM] the simplest election reform

2005-06-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
In a context where the norm is simple plurality, with overvotes resulting in the ballot being discarded (for the race with extra votes), the simplest reform is repealing the rule that discards such ballots. This simple change implements Approval voting, which is potentially a strong reform. Fu

[EM] The wiki questionaire

2005-06-15 Thread Chris Benham
Mike, You wrote: What's important about strategy is the mininimization of _need_ for strategy. That's how strategy is important. In wv or MMPO, if you truncate to deter offensive strategy, the only importance of that deterrence is that it keeps you from needing more drastic defensive strateg

[EM] The wiki questionaire

2005-06-15 Thread Chris Benham
Mike, You wrote: What's important about strategy is the mininimization of _need_ for strategy. That's how strategy is important. In wv or MMPO, if you truncate to deter offensive strategy, the only importance of that deterrence is that it keeps you from needing more drastic defensive strateg