Re: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity

2005-06-29 Thread James Green-Armytage
Kevin, you wrote: 40 ABD 35 DB 25 CD B wins, with 75 votes in the second round. Now let's raise B on some ballots: 40 A=BD 35 DB 25 CD Now candidate D wins, with 100 votes in the second round. So, quite clearly, ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity. Yes, this is interesting. However, I suggest that

Re: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity

2005-06-29 Thread Kevin Venzke
James, By the way, I didn't specify ER-Bucklin(whole) because I didn't believe that ERB(fractional) had been defined. --- James Green-Armytage [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Yes, this is interesting. However, I suggest that ER-Bucklin(whole) should perhaps be tallied in a different way. In the

Re: [EM] another wiki poll - assign ratings to single-winner methods!

2005-06-29 Thread Kevin Venzke
James, --- James Green-Armytage [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Please assume that the method is being used to elect an executive (e.g. mayor, president, etc.) This makes some difference. I wouldn't accept failures of the Plurality criterion when electing an executive, for example. Also, I

Re: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity, MCA

2005-06-29 Thread Kevin Venzke
James (and Chris), Something does occur to me: --- James Green-Armytage [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Yes, this is interesting. However, I suggest that ER-Bucklin(whole) should perhaps be tallied in a different way. In the second example, you assume for tally purposes that D is in 2nd place

RE: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity

2005-06-29 Thread Paul Kislanko
Kevin Venzke wrote: This seems like a new interpretation. I believe both this interpretation and ERB(fractional) satisfy monotonicity, since in neither method can raising a candidate cause any other candidate to get their votes earlier. Actually, this is the only interpetation I've ever

Re: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity

2005-06-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:28 AM 6/29/2005, James Green-Armytage wrote: Yes, this is interesting. However, I suggest that ER-Bucklin(whole) should perhaps be tallied in a different way. In the second example, you assume for tally purposes that D is in 2nd place on the A=BD ballots. However, I suggest that we should

[EM] Try power truncation in the simulation

2005-06-29 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Kevin-- I suggest trying power truncation, with MDDA, in the simulation, to find out how it affects those undesirable changes of winner. Power truncation just means that, for any candidate you don't rank, that candidate is scored as if you'd ranked everyone over him. The simulation could

[EM] Corrected ballot

2005-06-29 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
[beginning of ballot] The problem with our Plurality voting system is that many voters feel compelled to vote for a lesser-evil, abandoning their favorite. The voting systems below were chosen because, with them, no one ever has any incentive or reason to vote someone over their favorite.