Re: [EM] Asset Voting (was: Simplifying Ballots)

2005-08-16 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 05:28 PM 8/16/2005, Alex Small wrote: First, as Paul Kislanko pointed out, with asset voting it wouldn't just be about a handful of candidates. Any idiot with a following could (and undoubtedly would) declare himself a candidate for President. Evangelists, talk show hosts, actors, self-hel

RE: [EM] Simplifying ballots

2005-08-16 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 04:12 PM 8/16/2005, Paul Kislanko wrote: I want a solid "chain of evidence" from how my vote was ultimately counted back to what I wrote on my ballot. Yes. In true delegable proxy, you'd have that. But in secret-ballot Asset Voting, you would not be able to prove that *your* ballot was act

[EM] Asset Voting (was: Simplifying Ballots)

2005-08-16 Thread Alex Small
Two things:First, as Paul Kislanko pointed out, with asset voting it wouldn't just be about a handful of candidates.  Any idiot with a following could (and undoubtedly would) declare himself a candidate for President.  Evangelists, talk show hosts, actors, self-help gurus, activists, psychics ("Ms.

Re: [EM] Simplifying ballots

2005-08-16 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 03:13 PM 8/16/2005, Simmons, Forest wrote: Asset voting (in its lone mark version) is one of the few methods simple enough to have a decent chance among lazy U.S. voters, and it would be the greatest possible improvement consistent with the simple lone mark ballot. Absolutely, and it is gra

Re: [EM] WDS reply to Dave Ketchum elementary questions re range voting

2005-08-16 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 04:01 AM 8/16/2005, Dave Ketchum wrote: It has heard of NY and lever machines - exactly what I vote on and think about. Says they are able to handle elections with up to 300 candidates. With range chewing up slots 10 times as fast as plurality, capacity shrinks to 30 candidates. This ass

RE: [EM] Simplifying ballots

2005-08-16 Thread Paul Kislanko
"Imagine the drama we would have had in the Perot, Bush, Clinton election that was referred to recently by Rob Lanphier. Any one of the three would have had enough assets to make either of the others the winner. That's a lot of political leverage! No responsible representative should or would bac

[EM] Simplifying ballots

2005-08-16 Thread Simmons, Forest
Asset voting (in its lone mark version) is one of the few methods simple enough to have a decent chance among lazy U.S. voters, and it would be the greatest possible improvement consistent with the simple lone mark ballot. In Asset voting you vote for the candidate that you think would represen

Re: [EM] RE: Approval strategy in close three-way race?

2005-08-16 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 05:05 PM 8/15/2005, Simmons, Forest wrote: Unsophisticated voters might have to rely on the advice of their favorite candidate or some other trusted advisor when they don't have a strong feeling for approval and disapproval. So, in 1992, had the voting method been Approval, Ross Perot might

Re: [EM] voter strat & 2-party domination under Condorcet voting

2005-08-16 Thread Scott Ritchie
On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 09:39 -0400, Warren Smith wrote: > So anybody who is interested in third parties ever having > a chance, would be advised NOT to foolishly advocate either IRV or Condorcet, > but insetad would be advised to advocate RANGE VOTING (which experimentally > favors third parties far

Re: [EM] WDS reply to Dave Ketchum elementary questions re range voting

2005-08-16 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:46:04 -0400 Warren Smith wrote: Dave K: Range voting is very robustly the best among about 30 systems tried including a couple condorcet systems according to my giant comparative Bayesian regret study in 2000. OK, maybe you can attack that. Maybe you can say I did not