Re: [EM] Copeland's criteria

2005-09-11 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Kevin, You're right. Copeland has some pretty big issues. It appears to suffer the same deficiencies as margins-based methods, since Copeland ends up treating a victory of 3%-1% with 96% abstaining as being just as good as some other candidate's 51%-49% victory with 0% abstaining. Below is a

Re: [Condorcet] Re: [EM] RE: (crossposted) Revisiting Copeland

2005-09-11 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
I now see the source of the confusion. It was a simple error; I was then confused because the error was not noticed, instead it was compounded. Mr. Venke had posted: > > > >49 A > > > >24 B > > > >27 C>B And I translated these truncated results to > > > 49: A>B=C > > > 24: B>C>A > > > 27: C>B>

[EM] Copeland's criteria

2005-09-11 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, I thought about this a bit. Consider this election: 49 A 24 B>E 27 C>D>B>E C has 3 wins, and is the only Copeland winner. Woodall's plurality criterion is violated, since there's no way to raise C in rankings including C so that C has even the first preference count that A starts with. C

Re: [EM] Citation for immunity to strategic voting?

2005-09-11 Thread Andrew Myers
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 05:55:01PM -0400, Stephane Rouillon wrote: > Actually as many people will tell you, > this claim is wrong. > > I see that Rob already gave you a counter example. > > Maybe you would like to know that using winning vote as > criteria to make pairwise comparison instead of m

Re: [EM] RE: (crossposted) Revisiting Copeland

2005-09-11 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hello, There is some general confusion. In your previous message you used margins to complete truncated rankings. I replied that your completion was not right according to margins, since your completion changed C>B votes to C>A votes. However, Copeland doesn't use margins. So in this message below

Re: [EM] RE: [Condorcet] Can we come to consensus?

2005-09-11 Thread Juho Laatu
Hello James, Few remaining notes. No strong opinions but maybe some fun for interested readers. On Sep 10, 2005, at 03:30, James Green-Armytage wrote: "Approval" and "consent" are synonyms. "Consensus" may come from Latin (con-sensus) and be related to word "sense" (=> joint opini

[EM] Nov. 2004 and approval appreciation

2005-09-11 Thread James Green-Armytage
Hi folks, On the approval vs. IRV question, I used to lean more towards IRV, but these days I've been leaning more in the other direction. It occurred to me today that the re-election of George Bush may be partly responsible for this. First, I don't think that GB should have been re-electe