Re: [EM] Reply to SFC objection

2005-10-07 Thread Ken Kuhlman
Sorry Mike, I should have said I don't see the purpose of the criterion, rather than the value of.. The question was a matter of clarity, not of value. Rob Lanphier kindly clarified the criterion in another posting (thanks Rob!), so my response here will be limited. I see now that the SFC

[EM] Why SFC is better than Condorcet's Criterion

2005-10-07 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I said this before, but it deserves emphasis: Condorcet's criterion only applies when everyone votes sincerely. SFC applies if the majority to whom it makes its guarantee vote sincerely. In other words, it stipulates only that you and a majority that you're in vote sincerely, while

[EM] Rob: MDDA vs BeatpathWinner

2005-10-07 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Rob-- I've told why I claim that FBC is essential for a political voting system, and that MDDA meets FBC but BeatpathWinner fails FBC. I've just told why SFC is better than Condorcet's Criterion. Sure, for sincere-voting committees and organizations, which don't really need FBC as badly, I

Re: [EM] Rob: MDDA vs BeatpathWinner

2005-10-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Mike, I could be convinced that MDDA or similar system is better than a full-on Condorcet system. The one major objection I have is the lack of truncation resistance - I really hope we can find a system that encourages a full ranking. It seems that MDDA would tend to discourage ranking

[EM] Ken's SFC objections, contd.

2005-10-07 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Ken: You say: Sorry Mike, I should have said I don't see the purpose of the criterion, rather than the value of.. I reply: That's perfectly ok. Don't apologize for that. It's perfectly valid for you not see the value of a criterion, just as it's valid for you not to see the purpose of a