[EM] Methods that elect all seats by the same faction:

Methods that elect all seats by the same faction: Greetings list members, Gamble wrote: [on the IRV list] "Hello Tom and list, Is this an example of the IRV at large method you were proposing? A and B -both candidates of the same faction are elected." David Gamble - - - - - - - - - -

[EM] Craig's Folly and Dan's Folly are two peas in a pod:

Greetings list members, I had written: "Craig is not alone in this lack of understanding of election methods. On the IRV list, someone asked if IRV could be used to elect two members to a city council. Dan, who is an official of the Center for Voting and Democracy replied and suggested that IRV

[EM] Diana asked about Craig Carey:

Diana wrote: "Talking of Craig Carey, can someone please explain what his most recent diatribe was on about? And whether it's worth my while worrying about? (Since he's thrown Markus out of his private party -- at least that's how it appears to outsiders -- I'd like to know whether he actually h

[EM] Diane's comments on Recount and Party Proportionality:

Comments on Recount and Party Proportionality: Forwarded Letter - From: "Crabb, Deane (PIRSA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:13:33 +1030 Subject: RE: Recount and Party Proportionality: The reason in Australia that often only the ballots for the vacatin

[EM] Re: Issues about "personal data" in releasing results of ballots:

Greetings List Members, Hi Diana, you wrote: " Am I way off base here and if so in what form ought I to be asking for the data such that no-one's privacy gets breached? I'd prefer the data in the form I requested, but as I'm particularly hoping to compare Condorcet methods with IRV here a pairwi

[EM] Mail from non-members:

I vote: c. bounce all posts, with explanation "please join the list to post" Donald, Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

[EM] Recount and Party Proportionality:

Greetings list, November 17, 2003 Jim Riley wrote: "Arguably, the first runners-up method serves as a correction for a source of disproportionality under STV - the extra quota." Donald: Yes, it could be argued that the entire proportionality of the original elect

[EM] Let's fill the vacancy by Bjarke's words:

Greetings List Members, Bjarke wrote: "I think the best method, if the replacement must be determined from the original STV election result, is to eliminate the leaving candidate from all ballots, then repeat the STV count with the constraint that the n-1 remaining seats must be kept (cannot be e

[EM] Vacancy and Ballot Recount:

Recounting the original ballots when seeking a replacement: by Donald on 11/13/03 There are jurisdictions in the world that when filling a STV vacancy, will only use the ballots that elected the now vacant member. Because this policy has been used for many years does not mean that it is correct.

[EM] FWD Filling a vacancy in STV:

- Forwarded Letter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:45:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Filling a vacancy in STV: There are at least four possible methods of filling a vacancy on a body that is elected via Choice Voting (STV), of which only two ((c) and (d) below)

[EM] Let's fill the vacancy with the runner-up:

Greetings list members, To have the party of the vacant member choose a successor would be acceptable for the Party List method of PR, because the voters have decided how many seats each party is to receive and therefore it is only proper that the now vacant seat belongs to the same party, but ST

[EM] Filling a vacancy in STV:

From: "R.G.'Stumpy' Marsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11-06-03 `Stumpy' wrote: "With STV the results could be recalculated with preferences for the original winner ignored. There's a chance that could upset the rest of the seats though." Donald here: Removing the preferences of a winning candidate

[EM] Remainders and the Ranking of Political Parties:

Greetings list members, If voters were allowed to rank the political parties then the lowest remainder could be transferred to the other parties according to the percentages of the next choices of all the voters of a party. This would be something like using Irving to deal with the remainders in

[EM] Gervase, may I correct you?

Gervase, you wrote: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:51:29 +0100 "During the thread about how Condorcet can choose a "turkey" candidate (I think), there were quite a few people who posted how they would rank all of the various election methods. However, Donald gave a set of Cardinal Ratings f

[EM] Kevin, you wrote on 4 Oct '03

Kevin, you wrote: "Donald, would you support IRV with equal-ranking permitted, for the case that I have two first-choices and am willing to go with whichever one has more support from other voters?" Donald here: It is not clear as to how much of a vote each rank will be receiving. * If each r

[EM] Kislanko and Circular Ties:

[second try] Dear Kislanko, you wrote: "I do not believe the statement "a circular tie proves that the lower choices are flawed." Quite the contrary, circular ties are inevitable." Donald here: Circular ties may be inevitable, but they still prove that the lower choices are flawed. Besides, yo

[EM] Alex wrote: "Less information good..."

Greetings Alex and List, Alex, you wrote: "Less information good! More information bad: OK..." Donald: You are correct Alex, if the information you are talking about is the lower choices, for this so called "information" is suspect, even garbage. There are people, some on this list, who have

[EM] Reply to Robertas' Request for Opinion:

Hi Robertas, Thank you for asking for our opinions. We like to give our opinions, even if we are not in unison. To begin with, your current system is much better than what we have here in America. We have very few PR elections. One step towards some improvement for you would be for you to all

[EM] James Gilmour and the Dumb Question:

James, you wrote: "This statement is back-to-front or upside-down." Don here: Try the term: `Ass Backwards' That was a favorite term of another Englishman. Don, Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

[EM] Re: Diana's Proposed method of cycle resolution:

Greetings Diana and list members, Diana, you wrote: Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:54:45 +0100 "I know there are already far too many methods out there..." Donald here: `When you're right, you're right', but go ahead and spoil our day anyway, give us a few more cycle resolutions. Diana: ".

[EM] Re: Extremism

Greetings list members, Alex Small wrote: "It is sometimes asserted in various places (including, occasionally, this forum) that PR promotes extremism and single member districts (SMD) promote moderation. There's no denying that PR would give representation to small extremist factions. But smal

[EM] David's letter of September 3

ers would realise they didn't think much of B, B voters would realise this too and B would either withdraw or lose support until A finally won. David Gamble Exhaustive Secret Ballots Standard (ESBS): by Donald Davison * One secret vote per person. * If one candidate has a majority on the first

[EM] (CIRCLE) Cardinal [I] Rating Condorcet Loser Elimination

ardinal [Insidejob] Rating Condorcet Loser Elimination' (CIRCLE), elect the ESBS-winner, the standard for all single-seat methods? Exhaustive Secret Ballots Standard (ESBS): by Donald Davison * One secret vote per person. * If one candidate has a majority on the first ballot, that candida

[EM] Gilmour - Parliamentary question for you?

Gilmour, Would you be so kind as to answer Lyra's question about the Parliamentary form of government? You are most likely the best informed to answer the question. Thank you, I knew you would, Ha Ha. Donald, Forwarded Letter Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:27:55 +0100 (

[EM] FWD: Irving used in Party State Convention:

Forwarded Letter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "freeutahns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:36:47 - Subject: [instantrunoff] IRV used to elect former congresswoman Enid Greene to Utah GOP Vice-Chairman [Note from Rob Richie: The Utah Republican Party us

[EM] The Coming California Single Seat Election

The Coming California Single Seat Election Greetings List Members, I have not seen anything said on this list about the coming California single seat election for governor. No one is suggesting that their favorite method should be used instead of Plurality. What's the problem? Do you sense yo

[EM] Code of Honor for Reform Acivists:

Code of Honor for Reform Acivists: by Donald Davison * Any group of reform activists that are thinking about a petition drive to place a proposal on the ballot are to present their proposal beforehand to all other reform activists that they know of. The time for debate and negative comments

[EM] Eric Gorr and David Gamble's Running Debate:

Eric Gorr and David Gamble's Running Debate: Eric Gorr wrote: "For example, why is it the right thing for A to win in this case: 40 A 35 C > B 30 B when clearly > 60% of the voters preferred B over A?" Donald here: Dear Eric, you are in error. What your example shows is that 40 vo

[EM] The only strategy an Approval voter needs to know:

The only strategy an Approval voter needs to know: Dear John B. Hodges, You wrote: "The argument loses its force if there are simple strategies that generate good results. I'm satisfied that there are such strategies for Approval." Donald here: You are correct, there is a simple strategy that

[EM] Olli - Your Truncation error in STV:

Olli - Your Truncation error in STV: Dear Olli Salmi, you wrote: "Could somebody please explain this to me? Why is "about (number of digits in total votes)+1" implied? What are the complexities elsewhere?" Donald here: The fractional transfer of votes can draw a fine line between the candidat

[EM] (JBH) you wrote on August Third:

(JBH) you wrote on August Third: "I went with odd numbers because Ireland amended their procedure to specify odd numbers, I presume they had a reason." Donald here: Maybe the reason was so that the one party could gerrymander the districts with more ease. In that way this party could gain a fal

Re: [EM] IRV vs. plurality

Re: [EM] IRV vs. plurality: Irving is head and shoulders better than Plurality. On a scale of one to ten, Irving is a one and Plurality is a ten. Condorcet is a five. Bucklin is a six. Borda is a seven. Approval is a eight. Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em f

Re: [EM] Request comments on MMP?

and run in a sub-district, but the math of the election would be calculated per the Greater District. The math could be the math of some multi-seat election method like Open Party List or Preference Voting/STV. This will yield the member-link of a small district and the party proportionality of a

RE: [EM] Does Droop give the same results as Hare?

RE: [EM] Does Droop give the same results as Hare? Dear James Gilmour, Thank you for the effort you made to present us with this example of Hare vs Droop. The example tell us a number of things. First: Your example tells us that you have answered the question, Droop will not give the same r

Re: [EM] Hare and Droop, d'Hondt and Sainte-Lague

t benefit any faction, then only the Hare quota should be used. The Hare quota does not average votes. It is the only proportional quota, any surplus should be transferred to the next choices. There should also be a law that makes it a crime for anyone to attempt to average votes at the ballot box. D

[EM] Does Droop give the same results as Hare?

Does Droop give the same results as Hare? The Gilmour James wrote: July 25 2003 "MY only reason for using the Droop quota is that it gives the same result more quickly..." Dear Gilmour, Donald here: Are you saying that a Droop STV election will elect the same set of member

[EM] Gilmour's Parliamentary Problem:

Gilmour's Parliamentary Problem: The Gilmour James wrote: July 17 2003 "Coalition building has been very difficult to the point of near impossibility at times." Donald here: This is the problem of the Parliamentary form of government and not a problem of a single area elec

[EM] James Green-Armytage wrote on July 16 2003

James Green-Armytage wrote on July 16 2003 "What it it about the Israeli parliament which proves that high district magnitude is a mistake in general?" James, In the beginning of the Israeli parliament, they would give each very small party (much less than a quota) at least one seat so that i

[EM] The Gilmour James wrote:

Greetings List, The Gilmour James wrote: 14 July 2003 "We have previously debated the merits of Donald's method ("the best method") which seems to have been devised because Donald rejects the Droop quota." Donald here: Yes!! I do reject the Droop quota for most elections, but

[EM] James Green-Armytage wrote on July 13

Greetings list, James Green-Armytage wrote: (on July 13) "In general I am not very sympathetic with the desire on the part of some people to keep smaller parties out of government. Actually, I find it a little shocking how commonly this sentiment is expressed in discussions of

[EM] 7/14/03 - Single-Seat Method in a Multi-Seat Method:

er of seat to be filled. These are the winners, the election is over. This new method will have far less distortion than Bottoms Up and less than all the distortions that can be found in STV (list below of STV distortions). Regards, Donald Davison - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -