be in committee elections when the parties can
count the votes before elections.
Sainte-Laguë has recently been adopted in Bremen and a biproportional
version is being adopted in Zürich.
Olli Salmi
At 21:11 -0800 22.2.2004, James Green-Armytage wrote:
Do you realize the extent of the theoretical
cans call majority is absolute majority when you
need to be precise.
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in HTML.
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/161_11/app3.html
http://www.gesetze.ch/sr/161.11/161.11_012.htm (the same text, even
more difficult)
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public opinion, it's only to appoint a replacement.
I'm horrified at the thought that the party or the candidate could
choose the replacement, although it may work in practice.
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in Swedish only.
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550 7 8
B 470 6 6
C 250 4 3
D 170 2 2
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xes.
In the Sainte-Laguë countries in Scandinavia, d'Hondt is used within
parliaments and councils for the election of committees. It occurred
to me some time ago that the reason for this could be that if you
know how the votes are going to be distributed, you might be able to
exploit the rounding
x27;t give more fictional points to Saku Koivu. It
must have been because he was fighting with his disease.
All this to say that from what I understood, Sainte-Lague minimizes norm L1
and not norm L2 as Olli said...
It seems to be what I was saying.
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hen the professors of the University of
Helsinki nominated three candidates from which the chancellor was
appointed. The system of proposing three candidates for appointment
was used in Sweden in the 18th century, so this method may have its
roots there.
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Anyone can tell me what is the fraction
of Irish deputies that are women ?
13.3% in the lower house.
http://www.ipu.org/wmn-e/classif.htm
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-Laguë tienen una barrera legal de 4%.
Olli Salmi
Se convierte en un problema de programación lineal entera,
minimizando un índice, en particular el índice de mínimos cuadrdo de
Gallagher que tiene virtudes ya que ocupa una función trascendente
que es la raíz cuadrada.
¿Que otras variables se
onfusion between 'the value of a vote' and
'the value of a ballot paper',
I read this to mean that transfers are made with values calculated
to two decimal places, not with
only whole votes. Certainly all the official results sheets show
transfers with two places of
de
At 10:01 -0400 9.8.2003, Donald Davison wrote:
Olli - Your Truncation error in STV:
Dear Olli Salmi, you wrote: "Could somebody please explain this to me? Why
is "about (number of digits in total votes)+1" implied? What are the
complexities elsewhere?"
Donald here: The fr
t the majority of seats. With
the Hare quota this can happen and I don't like it at all.
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reach the quota?
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noughts when rounding to the
nearest hundredth: 19.998 = 20
Thanks for your reply.
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votes, any cohesive group of voters comprising two
sevenths (28.6 percent) of the electorate would be guaranteed to win
one seat."
http://www.southerncouncil.org/helpnet/articles/alternative2.html
With one vote the threshold equals the Droop quota.
Olli Salmi
At 05:38 +0200 8.8.2003, Kevin Venzk
g down
are about equal.
This is how I've understood it since I read "Fair Representation:
Meeting the Ideal of One Man, One Vote" by Michel L. Balinski and H.
Peyton Young. Unfortunately I didn't understand their mathematics. It
was somewhat more sophisticated than the expl
so the method ought to be neutral.
http://www.aps.org/apsnews/0401/040117.html
The method that favours small parties is Adams' method, which rounds
up. It can be used in organizations. A local association can send one
delegate to the national conference for each beginning 25 members,
ities elsewhere. Hence I conclude
that this problem is inherent in this type of rule and
could be seen as a defect in ERS97."
Could somebody please explain this to me?
Why is "about (number of digits in total votes)+1" implied? What are
the complexities elsewhere?
Olli Salmi
iter_teil
...
> No doubt they had many compelling arguments for it.
Yes - like it will ensure we are the largest party even if the
distorted results fail to give us an
overall majority.
Ah, but they couldn't use that publicly, could they?
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itable quota.
In the original d'Hondt you start with the total vote of the largest
party and go on until all seats are allocated. It's unnecessary to do
all this work if you start from the Droop quota. It is never too
small.
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s recently rejected by the voters
in Luzern. There's usually voluntary PR on this level as well.
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e to tabulate
the votes on forms, so it's not so simple as closed list or our open
list method, but you don't have to transfer the votes so you can
count them at the polling stations.
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y from!! We have so much
"party discipline" that MPs and
MSPs just do what they are told, and we have a Prime Minister who
can disregard the UK Parliament
and behave like a president.
He got a vote of confidence, didn't he? It is easier for a PM to
control a Parliament if his or h
have elected an
MP. STV would have been better. Even with the Swiss system the
townspeople wouldn't have wasted their vote.
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nbach-Bischoff method, which is equivalent to
d'Hondt. It's slightly quicker than d'Hondt if you count by hand.
Zürich is considering Sainte-Laguë.
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ues and policies and not personalities. Moreover, campaign
costs are smaller because individual candidates don't have to
campaign and they are not indebted to sponsors.
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then
an exceptional rule to cancel the fairness.
In Modified Sainte-Laguë the first divisor is 1.4 instead of 1. In a
Swedish commission repor considered the posibility of using 1.5 as
the first divisor, so that the first two divisors (1.5:3) would have
the same proportion as the first divisors i
or the first seat, the method sees that
5500 ballot strength
(100 strength times 55 ballots) are "available" for this candidate,
so he's elected.
This means your method is sequential, like Phragmén's. Are there any
differences from his method?
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ective.
I'm not sure I understand the practical significance of this. How is
politics different in, say, Ireland, Malta, Northern Ireland, which
have used STV for a longish period, from the Scandinavian countries
which have used list PR at least as long?
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tricting. If the 12 to 18 districts were
all of the same size our effective threshold would be between 5 and 8
percent in districts of 11 to 17 seats.
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s that the
restriction on the number of candidates the voter votes for is
unnecessary. It should be mentioned that Phragmén also described an
approval method with a quota.
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ns with known party affiliations. One list was
for the left, one for the right.
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der a list system. Much depends on
the average district magnitude. I think a good list PR uses joint
lists. In Finland they are mainly used in students' unions, because
the party structure is very fluid in them.
Of course STV is beautiful if you don't mind the complicated cou
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