Re: [EM] voting machines

2004-08-29 Thread Philippe Errembault
In belgium, we use voting machines, and there are many problems you didn't think about : The stealing of code seems to me not to be a problem. Free software people do it for years, and they can manage it. Sometimes they attack company who stole their code and it works. Now about the real prob

Re: [EM] Using weights to compensate multiple votes (It's mostlyaboutPR)

2004-08-28 Thread Philippe Errembault
compensate multiple votes (It's mostlyaboutPR) If you search the archives for "Proportional Approval" or "PAV" you may find something along these lines. There have been several proposals with same name going back at least to 1998. Also search on "d'Hondt".

Re: [EM] Using weights to compensate multiple votes (It's mostly about PR)

2004-08-25 Thread Philippe Errembault
counted as votes for the list. Philippe Errembault For those interrested I'll give here a bit more information about the BELGIAN ELECTION SYSTEM : In belgium, ballot papers contains lists from parties and for each of them there is one chechbox called "la case de tête" (*) and one ch

[EM] Using weights to compensate multiple votes (Any feedback ? please !??)

2004-08-24 Thread Philippe Errembault
Isn't there really anyone interrested in this topic ? Or am I just much too confusing in my explanations ???   I'd like to get feedback on this topic, please... It's about normalising the enthropy (amount of information) contained in of an "approval like" vo

Re: [EM] ironclad pro-Condorcet argument?

2004-08-23 Thread Philippe Errembault
(can't find where they still have the book :-( If someone has it, I'd be glad if he sent it to me.) > P.S. It's nice to hear from someone in Belgium. :-))) Philippe Errembault - Original Message - From: "James Green-Armytage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [EM] ironclad pro-Condorcet argument?

2004-08-23 Thread Philippe Errembault
> This suggests to me that the election of anyone other than the CW can be > considered an ERROR on the part of the voters. Except for PV methods !!! By the way, Isn't this in contradictions with Arrow's impossibility theorem ? Philippe Errembault - Original Message ---

Re: [EM] Arrow's axioms & an alternative to elections

2004-03-12 Thread Philippe Errembault
uggest to implement it in parallel with existing institutions, to keep a control, make tuning and see what happens. Philippe Errembault Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] Arrow's axioms & an alternative to elections

2004-03-10 Thread Philippe Errembault
> > h... Now that I re-read the text, I realise that your problem > > about decision > > taking and collapsing alternatives, probably came from here: > Actually, it was along the lines of 'forcing linear' decisions, by > analogy with the way that quantum states evolve smoothly over time >

Re: [EM] Arrow's axioms & an alternative to elections

2004-03-09 Thread Philippe Errembault
I realise that your problem about decision taking and collapsing alternatives, probably came from here : My proposition was mostly intended for people representation, mostly at parlementary level. Executive decisions are not taken at that level... As you said, if we want a leadership, we pr

Re: [EM] Arrow's axioms & an alternative to elections

2004-03-06 Thread Philippe Errembault
Hello Ernie, (please forget my previous mail/ I forgot to redirect it to the list, and I forgot to end one paragraph) > My point is that if you want to rank multi-dimensional information, > you will have to project your space to a one-dimensional space. This > will be done using a function that

Re: [EM] Arrow's axioms & an alternative to elections

2004-03-06 Thread Philippe Errembault
going up to the top level, so the minorites problem can be discussed up to the top, and the way they are protected, depends not from the "electoral system" but from the top level decision system. (vote, consensus, etc...) Philippe - Original Message - From: "Dave Ket

Re: [EM] Arrow's axioms

2004-03-05 Thread Philippe Errembault
;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ernest Prabhakar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Philippe Errembault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [EM] Arrow's axioms On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Ernest Prabhakar wrote: > > On Mar 5,

Re: [EM] Arrow's axioms & an alternative to elections

2004-03-05 Thread Philippe Errembault
Hi Ernest, I hope we understand each other's. Since English is not my mother tongue, I could pass over some misunderstanding without realising it. I will try to be clearer. My point is that if you want to rank multi-dimensional information, you will have to project your space to a one-dimen

Re: [EM] Arrow's axioms

2004-03-05 Thread Philippe Errembault
l of human nature. There are still a few problems with it, but it would solve many of the problems with the election systems. (it works a little like a neural structure)   Philippe Errembault - Original Message - From: Ken Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05,

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-22 Thread Philippe Errembault
thoughts. SO you cannot ask a human democracy to respect constraints that human beings themselves will not respect. Philippe Errembault