Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-22 Thread Philippe Errembault
Hello, I do not completely agree with Paul Kislanko analysis. 1/ The fact that there is 2 or more candidate has no importance, because at no time you are asked to sort them to more than two classes. So there are the candidates you like and the candidates you dislike, but at no time you have

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-21 Thread Bart Ingles
David GLAUDE wrote: > > * Do you know of any other extremist party using that argument and > making reference to Kenneth Arrow? I don't know if I'd call the CVD an extremist party, but they're not above the same rationalization: http://www.fairvote.org/pr/perfectsystem.htm The next-to-last pa

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-21 Thread Richard Moore
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David GLAUDE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [[Do you know that a multi-cultural society cannot be democratic? > The Nobel Prize Kenneth Arrow mathematically showed, in 1952, that there > was no possible democracy via a voting system (theorem of > impossibility), except if

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-21 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear David, you wrote (21 Nov 2003): > [[Do you know that a multi-cultural society cannot be democratic? > The Nobel Prize Kenneth Arrow mathematically showed, in 1952, that > there was no possible democracy via a voting system (theorem of > impossibility), except if the voters share the same cult

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-21 Thread Joseph Malkevitch
Dear Sampa, The exact result is that when there are n alternatives there are at most 2^(n-1) ballots which can form a single-peaked set, and the proof is a geometric argument using mathematical induction based on the number of ways to draw the single-peaked schedules in an nxn array of lattice

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-21 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2003-11-21, Alex Small uttered: >Is this "single-peakedness" the same as saying all voters fall on a 1D >ideological spectrum? Basically yes. >e.g. if all voters and candidates fit on the left-right spectrum, then all >voters will have one of these preferences: > >Left>Middle>Right >Right>Mid

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-21 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2003-11-21, Joseph Malkevitch uttered: >If one can order the alternatives being voted on (candidates) on a linear >scale so that all of the alternatives are "single peaked" (using ordinal >ranking ballots) then if there are an odd number of voters the Condorcet >method will always choose a winn

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-21 Thread Joseph Malkevitch
I did not explain what I wanted very clearly in my haste. Single-peakedness is a property of a collection of ballots with respect to an ordering of the alternatives. (one plots the height of the alternative on the ballot against the linear ordering getting a line or broken line segments what are si

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-21 Thread Alex Small
Is this "single-peakedness" the same as saying all voters fall on a 1D ideological spectrum? e.g. if all voters and candidates fit on the left-right spectrum, then all voters will have one of these preferences: Left>Middle>Right Right>Middle>Left Middle>Left>Right Middle>Right>Left But if issue

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-21 Thread Joseph Malkevitch
If one can order the alternatives being voted on (candidates) on a linear scale so that all of the alternatives are "single peaked" (using ordinal ranking ballots) then if there are an odd number of voters the Condorcet method will always choose a winner. (This result is due to Duncan Black.) Being

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-21 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2003-11-21, David GLAUDE uttered: >[[Do you know that a multi-cultural society cannot be democratic? The >Nobel Prize Kenneth Arrow mathematically showed, in 1952, that there was >no possible democracy via a voting system (theorem of impossibility), >except if the voters share the same culture

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-20 Thread Paul Kislanko
ee http://almaz.com/nobel/economics/1972b.html -Original Message- From: David GLAUDE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone? Hello, I am back to you with somethi

Re: [EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-20 Thread Alex Small
That's the first time I've ever heard such a misinterpretation of Arrow's Theorem. It's amazing what things people will come up with. Here's my more-or-less technical take on Arrow's Theorem. Many voting paradoxes seem to boil down to Condorcet's paradox. I don't think I've seen any proofs of

[EM] [OT] Kenneth Arrow theory... anyone?

2003-11-20 Thread David GLAUDE
Hello, I am back to you with something that could be out of topic... A extreme right wing party (more likely racist) did produce a small text reproduced below: (original in french first... then approximated translation). < Le prix nobel Kenneth Arrow a démontré mathématiquement, en 1952, qu'il