Re: [EM] About random election methods

2005-03-15 Thread Forest Simmons
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:03:25 -0800 From: Russ Paielli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EM] About random election methods Russ wrote to Andrew: Andrew, I think voters will reject any method that isn't deterministic. Barring actual numerical ties, why should the selection of the winne

Re: [EM] About random election methods, CDTT,RB

2005-03-15 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hello, As I wrote recently, I want to elect from the CDTT set by Random Ballot. (The CDTT set, again, contains every candidate who has a majority-strength beatpath to everyone who has such a beatpath back to them.) I think the randomness can be justified here by noting that the CDTT effectively d

Re: [EM] About random election methods

2005-03-15 Thread Eric Gorr
Russ Paielli wrote: I think voters will reject any method that isn't deterministic. They don't currently do so, so why would they do so in the future? It is not completely unexpected for a tie to occur and, when that happens under Plurality (First-Past-The-Post), the winner has generally been det

Re: [EM] About random election methods

2005-03-15 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Russ! You wrote: > I think voters will reject any method that isn't deterministic. Barring > actual numerical ties, why should the selection of the winner depend in > any way on some random event? Well, in my opinion election methods should be democratic, and that is not the same as "maj

Re: [EM] About random election methods

2005-03-14 Thread Russ Paielli
Andrew, I think voters will reject any method that isn't deterministic. Barring actual numerical ties, why should the selection of the winner depend in any way on some random event? Yes, randomness may help thwart strategy, but so what? Of course strategy is useless if we toss dice to determine

Re: [EM] About random election methods

2005-03-14 Thread Eric Gorr
Andrew Myers wrote: A lot of Condorcet election methods use randomness to elect a winner, but in a way that I think voters will find unsatisfactory. They simply produce a winner as part of a complex algorithm that uses randomness at various points. MAM is an example of such an algorithm. Actually,

[EM] About random election methods

2005-03-14 Thread Andrew Myers
A lot of Condorcet election methods use randomness to elect a winner, but in a way that I think voters will find unsatisfactory. They simply produce a winner as part of a complex algorithm that uses randomness at various points. MAM is an example of such an algorithm. A voter might reasonably wonde