Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-11 Thread Eric Gorr
On the current wikipedia page for the Spoiler Effect, it says: A voting system which satisfies the independence of irrelevant alternatives criterion is immune to the spoiler effect, Now, considering people use the term Spoiler Effect in the context of Independence of Clones Criterion ,

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-11 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, On the current wikipedia page for the Spoiler Effect, it says: A voting system which satisfies the independence of irrelevant alternatives criterion is immune to the spoiler effect, Now, considering people use the term Spoiler Effect in the context of Independence of

IIA, spoiling clone independence (was Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant)

2004-11-11 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, Eric G wrote: On the current wikipedia page for the Spoiler Effect, it says: A voting system which satisfies the independence of irrelevant alternatives criterion is immune to the spoiler effect, Now, considering people use the term Spoiler Effect in the context of Independence

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-08 Thread Paul Crowley
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:30:05 -0800, Steve Eppley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul C asked: Does Eppley still read this list? Yes, sometimes. By the way, I prefer that my friends call me Steve. Steve it is. I chose the tiebreaker for complete satisfaction of clone independence,

[EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-08 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Paul! you asked: Is clone independence strictly more important than determinism? I would rather say, a sufficient *non-determinism* is much more important than clone independence since all deterministic majoritarian methods suffer from serious strategy problems whenever there is no sincere

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Crowley
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:33:19 +0100, Markus Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Paul, your Condorcet/RP variant sounds like Steve Eppley's minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method. Thanks for the pointer! Having a bit of difficulty finding a definition of MTM online, but there seems to be

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Crowley
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:39:57 +, Paul Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:33:19 +0100, Markus Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Paul, your Condorcet/RP variant sounds like Steve Eppley's minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method. For each of the n! possible

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Crowley
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:33:03 +, Paul Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:33:19 +0100, Markus Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your Condorcet/RP variant sounds like Steve Eppley's minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method. MTM is exactly equivalent to my method.

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, Markus S wrote about Paul Crowley's proposed voting method: your Condorcet/RP variant sounds like Steve Eppley's minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method. I think of the name MTM as an old name for MAM, which stands for maximize affirmed majorities. To my ear, maximize affirmed

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, Paul C asked: Does Eppley still read this list? Yes, sometimes. By the way, I prefer that my friends call me Steve. I'd be interested to know why he now favours MAM over MTM. I changed the name from MTM to MAM to sound more positive. I chose the tiebreaker for complete

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Steve, you wrote (5 Nov 2004): If he thinks it matters, hopefully Markus will tell us which MTM tiebreaker he has in mind. Your minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method has been defined here (23 Feb 2000):

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Crowley
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:09:24 -0800, Steve Eppley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Markus S wrote about Paul Crowley's proposed voting method: your Condorcet/RP variant sounds like Steve Eppley's minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method. I think of the name MTM as an old name for MAM, which

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-04 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Paul, your Condorcet/RP variant sounds like Steve Eppley's minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method. Markus Schulze Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info