Re: [EM] Primaries?

2004-04-01 Thread Bart Ingles
Adam Tarr wrote: I think the issue with multi-winner primaries is not whether they are proportional, or even whether the elect clones, but whether they advance at least one winnable candidate to the general election. But I suppose a proportional system would be more likely to do so due to

Re: [EM] Primaries?

2004-03-31 Thread Adam Tarr
I don't think we really disagree about anything meaningful, Dave. I imagine this is common, but they are really doing the primary on behalf of the party. The party could decide to not have a primary, just as the state could decide to not do the party the favor of administering it. About 100

Re: [EM] Primaries?

2004-03-31 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:14:45 -0500 Adam Tarr wrote: I don't think we really disagree about anything meaningful, Dave. I imagine this is common, but they are really doing the primary on behalf of the party. The party could decide to not have a primary, just as the state could decide to not do

Re: [EM] Primaries?

2004-03-31 Thread Dave Ketchum
We have about worn out this thread: A primary before a ranked ballot general election has its own needs, UNLIKE those preceding a Plurality general election. Perhaps multiple primary winners would make sense. If so, needs are unlike those of a PR election. I like the method to be

Re: [EM] Primaries?

2004-03-31 Thread Bart Ingles
I think the issue with multi-winner primaries is not whether they are proportional, or even whether the elect clones, but whether they advance at least one winnable candidate to the general election. But I suppose a proportional system would be more likely to do so due to the shotgun effect of

Re: [EM] Primaries?

2004-03-30 Thread Bart Ingles
Dave Ketchum wrote: Original Message From: Bart Ingles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: EM List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Argument for Approval Primaries Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:49:40 -0800 It occurs to me that one place where ranked ballot methods are entirely

Re: [EM] Primaries?

2004-03-30 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:49:15 -0500 Adam Tarr wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: If a method is good enough to select a single winner in the general election, then it must be good enough, and most logical choice, for use in related primaries. It does not follow. An general election is a method the

Re: [EM] Primaries?

2004-03-29 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:03:18 -0800 (PST) Forest Simmons wrote: On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Dave Ketchum wrote: Original Message From: Bart Ingles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: EM List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Argument for Approval Primaries Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:49:40 -0800 It

Re: [EM] Primaries?

2004-03-29 Thread Forest Simmons
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Dave Ketchum wrote: Original Message From: Bart Ingles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: EM List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Argument for Approval Primaries Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:49:40 -0800 It occurs to me that one place where ranked ballot methods are

Re: [EM] Primaries?

2004-03-29 Thread Adam Tarr
Dave Ketchum wrote: If a method is good enough to select a single winner in the general election, then it must be good enough, and most logical choice, for use in related primaries. It does not follow. An general election is a method the government uses to try to find a candidate who best

[EM] Primaries?

2004-03-27 Thread Dave Ketchum
Original Message From: Bart Ingles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: EM List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Argument for Approval Primaries Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:49:40 -0800 It occurs to me that one place where ranked ballot methods are entirely unsuitable is in party primary elections.