Re: [EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-03 Thread RLSuter
You misinterpreted my message, though I'll admit I could have phrased it better. I neither said nor meant to imply that Nader is "the most important third-party candidate in recent history." I said that Nader is the worst instance of the spoiler problem in recent history. Actually, I was mistaken a

Re: [EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-03 Thread James Green-Armytage
>Nader is *not* the most important third-party candidate in recent >history. That's true. I'm not sure if Ralph was saying that he was... he did say that this was the worst example of the spoiler effect, which might mean something different. For one, with Perot, it's not especially clear

Re: [EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-03 Thread Warren Schudy
Nader is *not* the most important third-party candidate in recent history. In 1992 and 1996, Perot got 19 and 8 million votes respectively. (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html). In the past century, third party candidates exceeded Nader's 2000 2.8 million votes in 1996, 1992, 1980, 1

[EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-03 Thread RLSuter
Eric and others, I posted the Kerry-Nader initiative message because it has everything to do with election methods. Furthermore, the message included a brief discussion about the need to reform presidential elections. That section (copied below) includes brief summaries of the four most widely ad

[EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Eric Gorr
Let's keep these kinds of discussions off the list. I am not interested. No, it does not matter how important you think your final thought is...I am not interested. If you would like a suggestion on an appropriate location for such discussions, I would be happy to provide them off-list. Paul K

[EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Rob Brown
Paul Kislanko airmail.net> writes: > Yep. You got it. Kerry's hold on his votes is very tenuous. If he even looks > like he's asking Nader for "help", he's toast. That's crazy. I don't doubt that there is *someone* out there that thinks that illogically, but given that this would instantly giv

RE: [EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Paul Kislanko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative Paul Kislanko airmail.net> writes: > If Kerry were even to ACKNOWLEDGE Nader, Bush would win in a landslide > because most of the reluctant Kerry voters still blame Nader for "electing" > Bush. Lemme tr

[EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Rob Brown
Paul Kislanko airmail.net> writes: > If Kerry were even to ACKNOWLEDGE Nader, Bush would win in a landslide > because most of the reluctant Kerry voters still blame Nader for "electing" > Bush. Lemme try to follow your logic. Kerry voters are angry at Nader for causing Bush to be elected. Howe

RE: [EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Paul Kislanko
MAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Brown Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative This is a very good idea, and I will help if I can. Some time ago, I had the idea to start a site with the goal

[EM] Re: Kerry-Nader negotiation initiative

2004-09-02 Thread Rob Brown
This is a very good idea, and I will help if I can. Some time ago, I had the idea to start a site with the goal of convincing Nader fans that voting for him was a bad idea, but unlike other such sites, mine would have a technical emphasis and explain why our plurality system is so broken (and t