Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark, re: Approval, CR, & IRV

2004-01-20 Thread Forest Simmons
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > Say we conducted an Approval vote, collected the ballots, and then said "Now > we'll do another Approval balloting, whose results will be added to those of > the previous balloting". How do you vote in the 2nd balloting? The same as > in the 1st ballotin

Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark, re: Approval, CR, & IRV

2004-01-19 Thread Bart Ingles
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Bill you wrote in part: > > >> To gloss over lots of details it is generally presumed that voters > >> behave rationally and vote strategically to maximise the utility of > >> their outcome in an election. > > >I think that presumption is almost undoubtedly false, i

Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark, re: Approval, CR, & IRV

2004-01-19 Thread Dgamble997
Bill Clark wrote: >Just the other day, I had a lengthy discussion in email with one of my >friends over a hypothetical Cardinal Ratings vote between Gore, Nader, and >Bush.  He'd said that he would have voted Nader:10, Gore:7, and Bush:0. >Nothing I could say could convince him that he should cha

Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark, re: Approval, CR, & IRV

2004-01-19 Thread Bill Lewis Clark
David Gamble wrote: > I'd agree almost entirely with the points you've made about strategic > voting and the likelihood that people will use strategic voting. Most > people on the EM list, I think, will disagree with you (particularly > Approval supporters). This is because Approval starts to f

Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark, re: Approval, CR, & IRV

2004-01-19 Thread Dgamble997
Bill you wrote in part: >> To gloss over lots of details it is generally presumed that voters >> behave rationally and vote strategically to maximise the utility of >> their outcome in an election. >I think that presumption is almost undoubtedly false, in the general case. >I suspect it's based o

Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark, re: Approval, CR, & IRV

2004-01-18 Thread Bart Ingles
Bill Lewis Clark wrote: > > Finally (to get back to my main point), since the behavior of > non-strategic ("sincere") voters can differ greatly depending on the > particular voting system used, it simply seems *wrong* to argue that > approval voting and cardinal ratings are strategically equivalen

Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark, re: Approval, CR, & IRV

2004-01-18 Thread Bill Lewis Clark
David Gamble wrote: > On the EM list there is much lengthy discussion of voting strategy, > strategic voting and the like. I've gathered as much :) > To gloss over lots of details it is generally presumed that voters > behave rationally and vote strategically to maximise the utility of > their o

Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark, re: Approval, CR, & IRV

2004-01-18 Thread Dgamble997
Hello list On the EM list there is much lengthy discussion of voting strategy, strategic voting and the like. To gloss over lots of details it is generally presumed that voters behave rationally and vote strategically to maximise the utility of their outcome in an election. Mike Ossipoff wrote:

[EM] To Bill Lewis Clark, re: Approval, CR, & IRV

2004-01-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Bill Lewis-Clark-- You're alright, because you sound like an advocate of CR over IRV. You wrote: I want to call into question the claim that Cardinal Ratings (CR) is strategically equivalent to Approval Voting (AV.) I reply: I address that question farther down in this reply. You continued: I