Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-12 Thread Forest Simmons
It's somewhat traditional for the inventor to name the invention. But I'm open to suggestion. There's a great Dr. Suess story in which Mrs. McCave had twenty-three sons and named them all "Dave." It lists all of the names that she could have used, ending, "... and one of them BuckBuckMcFate, but

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-10 Thread Dave Ketchum
HELP: Need some input for the Jargon Dictionary - Who is right, Forest or myself? Forest is proposing a "class of methods" (see below) in which the ballots include both rankings, as we expect for Condorcet, AND ratings or grades, as are used in some other methods. I do not object to his offering

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-10 Thread Forest Simmons
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Dave Ketchum wrote: [...] > All of this because I objected to Forest using "Condorcet" in a > method name when the method involved ratings (he uses the word > "grade" which seems to me to be a synonym for rating). Well, let that be a lesson to you :|] To clear up the misund

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:49:17 +0100 James Gilmour wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: To anyone else reading, my claim is: With the Condorcet method(s), the voter ranks all candidates liked better than "last" (optionally including ranking "last"). I asked: Is it necessary for a voter to rank ALL cand

RE: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread James Gilmour
> >Dave Ketchum wrote: > >> To anyone else reading, my claim is: > >>With the Condorcet method(s), the voter ranks all candidates > >> liked better than "last" (optionally including ranking "last"). I asked: > >Is it necessary for a voter to rank ALL candidates? Eric replied: > No. I

RE: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Eric Gorr
At 11:37 PM +0100 6/9/04, James Gilmour wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: To anyone else reading, my claim is: With the Condorcet method(s), the voter ranks all candidates liked better than "last" (optionally including ranking "last"). Is it necessary for a voter to rank ALL candidates? No. Does

RE: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread James Gilmour
Dave Ketchum wrote: > To anyone else reading, my claim is: > With the Condorcet method(s), the voter ranks all > candidates liked better than "last" (optionally including ranking "last"). Is it necessary for a voter to rank ALL candidates? Does it cease to be "a Condorcet method" if voter

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Dave Ketchum
We ain't communicating, so, ENOUGH! To anyone else reading, my claim is: With the Condorcet method(s), the voter ranks all candidates liked better than "last" (optionally including ranking "last"). There is no other voter activity such as a rating or grading of candidates - methods incl

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Forest Simmons
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Dave Ketchum wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: > > > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Dave Ketchum wrote: > > > > > >>On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: > >> > >> > >>>If I understand correctly, Beat Path, Ranked Pairs, MinMax,

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Dave Ketchum wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: If I understand correctly, Beat Path, Ranked Pairs, MinMax, and all of the other serious Condorcet methods are in agreement (except f

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Forest Simmons
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Dave Ketchum wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: > > > If I understand correctly, Beat Path, Ranked Pairs, MinMax, and all of the > > other serious Condorcet methods are in agreement (except for the > > margins/wv debate) when there are only

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: If I understand correctly, Beat Path, Ranked Pairs, MinMax, and all of the other serious Condorcet methods are in agreement (except for the margins/wv debate) when there are only three candidates: if one of them beats each of the others

[EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-08 Thread Forest Simmons
If I understand correctly, Beat Path, Ranked Pairs, MinMax, and all of the other serious Condorcet methods are in agreement (except for the margins/wv debate) when there are only three candidates: if one of them beats each of the others pairwise, then that candidate is the winner. Otherwise, the cy