Re: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity

2005-07-01 Thread Kevin Venzke
James, --- James Green-Armytage [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Kevin, you wrote: This seems like a new interpretation. I believe both this interpretation and ERB(fractional) satisfy monotonicity, since in neither method can raising a candidate cause any other candidate to get their votes

Re: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity

2005-07-01 Thread James J Faran
I see, said the idiot. Please ignore my previous post on this topic. I was failing to comprehend the intricacies of the difference between Bucklin and ER-Bucklin(whole), some of which are explained below by Kevin Venzke. Jim Faran On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 10:05, Kevin Venzke wrote: James, ---

Re: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity

2005-06-30 Thread James Green-Armytage
Kevin, you wrote: This seems like a new interpretation. I believe both this interpretation and ERB(fractional) satisfy monotonicity, since in neither method can raising a candidate cause any other candidate to get their votes earlier. Does my interpretation of ER-Bucklin(whole) satisfy FBC? (And,

Re: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity

2005-06-29 Thread James Green-Armytage
Kevin, you wrote: 40 ABD 35 DB 25 CD B wins, with 75 votes in the second round. Now let's raise B on some ballots: 40 A=BD 35 DB 25 CD Now candidate D wins, with 100 votes in the second round. So, quite clearly, ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity. Yes, this is interesting. However, I suggest that

Re: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity

2005-06-29 Thread Kevin Venzke
James, By the way, I didn't specify ER-Bucklin(whole) because I didn't believe that ERB(fractional) had been defined. --- James Green-Armytage [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Yes, this is interesting. However, I suggest that ER-Bucklin(whole) should perhaps be tallied in a different way. In the

Re: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity, MCA

2005-06-29 Thread Kevin Venzke
James (and Chris), Something does occur to me: --- James Green-Armytage [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Yes, this is interesting. However, I suggest that ER-Bucklin(whole) should perhaps be tallied in a different way. In the second example, you assume for tally purposes that D is in 2nd place

RE: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity

2005-06-29 Thread Paul Kislanko
Kevin Venzke wrote: This seems like a new interpretation. I believe both this interpretation and ERB(fractional) satisfy monotonicity, since in neither method can raising a candidate cause any other candidate to get their votes earlier. Actually, this is the only interpetation I've ever

Re: [EM] ER-Bucklin fails monotonicity

2005-06-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:28 AM 6/29/2005, James Green-Armytage wrote: Yes, this is interesting. However, I suggest that ER-Bucklin(whole) should perhaps be tallied in a different way. In the second example, you assume for tally purposes that D is in 2nd place on the A=BD ballots. However, I suggest that we should