RE: [EM] What do we mean by 'your vote counts'?

2004-01-23 Thread Bill Lewis Clark
Eric Gorr wrote: > With Approval and Condorcet, the entire way you vote will affect the > outcome of an election. But Jan's point is that with Approval or Condorcet, most of the time the way you vote WON'T affect the outcome of the election, because your single vote gets swamped by the sheer volu

RE: [EM] What do we mean by "your vote counts"?

2004-01-23 Thread Eric Gorr
At 5:50 PM -0700 1/23/04, Jan Kok wrote: My straw proposal for the definition of "counts" is: "changes the outcome of an election". So what is Mike really saying here?: True, Approval doesn't let you vote all your preferences, but at least it reliably counts all those that you vote. That can

RE: [EM] What do we mean by "your vote counts"?

2004-01-23 Thread Jan Kok
Eric Gorr wrote: >At 10:35 AM -0700 1/23/04, Jan Kok wrote: >>Mike Ossipoff wrote (many things, including): >> > True, Approval doesn't let you vote all your preferences, but >>> at least it reliably counts all those that you vote. That can't >>> be said for IRV. >> >>What do we mean by "counts"

Re: [EM] What do we mean by "your vote counts"?

2004-01-23 Thread Eric Gorr
At 10:35 AM -0700 1/23/04, Jan Kok wrote: Mike Ossipoff wrote (many things, including): > True, Approval doesn't let you vote all your preferences, but at least it reliably counts all those that you vote. That can't be said for IRV. What do we mean by "counts"? The election system would take it