Re: [EM] cyclic preferences

2004-08-05 Thread James Green-Armytage
"Paul Kislanko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Your example is not relevant to the question. In an election only between >Z >and X, there are no other pairs to worry about. Yes, it is relevant. This is one of the more generally accepted definitions of a preference ranking: in an election bet

Re: [EM] cyclic preferences

2004-08-05 Thread James Green-Armytage
Forest Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I sympathize with the sentiments of those who would like to allow >expression of intransitive preferences. > >In February of 1967 when I took "aptitude" tests after being sworn into >the US Army, I noticed that there were lots of questions of preference,

Re: [EM] cyclic preferences

2004-08-05 Thread James Green-Armytage
Jobst Heitzig, you wrote: > To give a concrete example: 3 candidates X,Y,Z, 3 aspects A1,A2,A3, and >orderings X>Y>Z according to A1, Y>Z>X according to A2, Z>X>Y according >to A3 (you all know this of course :-) The voter can either express no >preference at all, or the cyclic preference X>Y

RE: [EM] cyclic preferences

2004-08-05 Thread James Gilmour
Forest Simmons > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:15 PM > > I sympathize with the sentiments of those who would like to > allow expression of intransitive preferences. > > In February of 1967 when I took "aptitude" tests after being > sworn into the US Army, I noticed that there were lots of

RE: [EM] cyclic preferences

2004-08-05 Thread Forest Simmons
I sympathize with the sentiments of those who would like to allow expression of intransitive preferences. In February of 1967 when I took "aptitude" tests after being sworn into the US Army, I noticed that there were lots of questions of preference, for example, one was,"Do you like working at a d

RE: [EM] cyclic preferences

2004-08-05 Thread Paul Kislanko
Adam Tarr >>I will reiterate that allowing voters to cast cyclic ballots simply makes the method more complicated and increases the chance of a spoiled ballot. Even if I didn't oppose it on theoretical grounds, I would oppose it on practical grounds. Onward... << It may make the collection sy

Re: [EM] cyclic preferences

2004-08-05 Thread Adam Tarr
I will reiterate that allowing voters to cast cyclic ballots simply makes the method more complicated and increases the chance of a spoiled ballot. Even if I didn't oppose it on theoretical grounds, I would oppose it on practical grounds. Onward... Jobst Heitzig wrote: 1. Consider a voter who

Re: [EM] cyclic preferences

2004-08-05 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Markus wrote: > Hallo, > > here is a comment on cyclic individual preferences: > http://www.csi.uottawa.ca/ordal96/papers/fishburn/node9.html > > Markus Schulze Thanks for your support, Markus. So it seems that my arguments have at least some justification. So, I think we should apply the princi

Re: [EM] cyclic preferences

2004-08-04 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, here is a comment on cyclic individual preferences: http://www.csi.uottawa.ca/ordal96/papers/fishburn/node9.html Markus Schulze Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] cyclic preferences

2004-08-03 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Here's two other examples in which the expression of cyclic preferences can be "rational" (or, if you prefer that term, "sensible") for a voter: 1. Consider a voter who evaluates the candidates according to a number of aspects (or dimensions, criteria, issues, perspectives, whatever). Assume tha

RE: [EM] cyclic preferences

2004-07-29 Thread Paul Kislanko
-Original Message- From: James Green-Armytage Dear Jobst, There are two separate issues here. The first deals with whether a voting system should make allowances for irrational preferences. The second deals with whether cyclic preferences are irrational. -