Re: Truncated preferences OK for Condorcet (was Re: [EM] Ignorance)

2004-03-03 Thread Ma Anguo
Thanks Steve, That's great stuff and it does indeed answer my questions. I will soon upload two large documents documenting (for beginners) a Condorcet ballot and a Condorcet matrix. After that, I'll concentrate on the rather sketchy/innacurate series of articles I posted http://www.masquili

RE: Manually counting IRV (was RE: Truncated preferences ok for Condorcet (was Re: [EM] Ignorance))

2004-03-03 Thread James Gilmour
Steve wrote: > > Steve Eppley had written: > > > That's true, except there's no need to count the ballots in > > > each pile. It's quicker to compare the heights of each > > > pile by eye to see which is shortest, unless the shortest > > > piles are very similar to each other in height, in whic

RE: Manually counting IRV (was RE: Truncated preferences ok for Condorcet (was Re: [EM] Ignorance))

2004-03-03 Thread Steve Eppley
James Gilmore wrote: > Steve Eppley wrote: > > That's true, except there's no need to count the ballots in > > each pile. It's quicker to compare the heights of each > > pile by eye to see which is shortest, unless the shortest > > piles are very similar to each other in height, in which > > c

RE: Manually counting IRV (was RE: Truncated preferences ok for Condorcet (was Re: [EM] Ignorance))

2004-03-03 Thread James Gilmour
Steve Eppley wrote: > That's true, except there's no need to count the ballots in > each pile. It's quicker to compare the heights of each > pile by eye to see which is shortest, unless the shortest > piles are very similar to each other in height, in which > case you might want to count the s

RE: Truncated preferences ok for Condorcet (was Re: [EM] Ignorance)

2004-03-03 Thread Steve Eppley
James Gilmour asked: > Steve Eppley wrote: > -snip- > > Well, that's all I know about arguments against allowing > > truncation. Perhaps others will be able to add more. > > Are you suggesting voters should be forced to express > preferences they do not have? James No, I was answering August

Manually counting IRV (was RE: Truncated preferences ok for Condorcet (was Re: [EM] Ignorance))

2004-03-03 Thread Steve Eppley
James Gilmore wrote: > Steve Eppley wrote: > > The third explanation is a hold-over from elections that > > tally Instant Runoff (or the proportional representation > > version, Single Transferable Vote) by hand. To quickly > > tally Instant Runoff by hand: > > > >Distribute the ballots i

RE: Truncated preferences ok for Condorcet (was Re: [EM] Ignorance)

2004-03-03 Thread James Gilmour
Steve Eppley wrote: > The third explanation is a hold-over from elections that > tally Instant Runoff (or the proportional representation > version, Single Transferable Vote) by hand. To quickly > tally Instant Runoff by hand: > >Distribute the ballots into piles, each according to >i

RE: Truncated preferences ok for Condorcet (was Re: [EM] Ignorance)

2004-03-03 Thread James Gilmour
Steve Eppley wrote: > Well, that's all I know about arguments against allowing > truncation. Perhaps others will be able to add more. Are you suggesting voters should be forced to express preferences they do not have? James Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for l

Truncated preferences ok for Condorcet (was Re: [EM] Ignorance)

2004-03-03 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, Several days ago, Augustin asked: -snip- > a couple of weeks ago I wrote to this > list asking for your help especially in regard to some > theories that are behind the decisions I have made when > developing the site. > > The only help I received was in the form of welcome > criti