Re: Tyranny of the Majority

2001-05-09 Thread Anthony Simmons
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: Tyranny of the Majority >> Mr. Simmons wrote- >> But that is neither here nor there, as we shall see when you >> post the other definitions and the etymology for "democracy". >> --- >> D- I will let Mr. Simmons do such work and post the >> results. I h

Re: Tyranny of the Majority

2001-05-09 Thread Forest Simmons
On Thu, 10 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Mr. Simmons wrote- > > Whenever there is a bimodal (polar) distribution of voters on one divisive > issue and one of the factions has a clear majority, there will probably be > a majority first place winner from that faction which any common metho

Re: Tyranny of the Majority

2001-05-09 Thread DEMOREP1
Mr. Simmons wrote- Whenever there is a bimodal (polar) distribution of voters on one divisive issue and one of the factions has a clear majority, there will probably be a majority first place winner from that faction which any common method including IRV and all the Condorcet methods would pick.

Re: [EM] Re: Tyranny of the Majority

2001-05-09 Thread Richard Moore
Forest Simmons wrote: > Suppose that f and g were the same. Then each voter could be asked to > compare each candidate to herself. This could be very appropriate in > a representative democracy where the representatives are supposed to serve > as proxies for the citizens that they represent. > >

Re: Tyranny of the Majority

2001-05-09 Thread DEMOREP1
Mr. Simmons wrote- But that is neither here nor there, as we shall see when you post the other definitions and the etymology for "democracy". --- D- I will let Mr. Simmons do such work and post the results. I have too much to do to wipe out the existing minority rule legislative body gerrymande

RE: voting method: tie-breaking in IRV:

2001-05-09 Thread LAYTON Craig
> A proportional type election is when each proportional part of the >voters selects one room name. For example: if you have five conference >rooms and fifteen voters, it would only take three votes for a name to be a >winner. This is called STV, which I assume you already know. > I woul

RE: [EM] Re: Tyranny of the Majority

2001-05-09 Thread Forest Simmons
That's why we still need the None of the Above option and write-in capability :-) On Thu, 10 May 2001, LAYTON Craig wrote: > >The ballot could be worded as follows: Check the YES box next to each > >candidate that you believe would do a better job in the position to which > >they aspire than you

RE: [EM] Re: Tyranny of the Majority

2001-05-09 Thread LAYTON Craig
>The ballot could be worded as follows: Check the YES box next to each >candidate that you believe would do a better job in the position to which >they aspire than you yourself would if you had the appropriate technical >competency and stomach for that kind of work. Oh dear. What about those of

Re: [EM] Re: Tyranny of the Majority

2001-05-09 Thread Forest Simmons
This is a very interesting idea. A couple of thoughts: Suppose that f and g were the same. Then each voter could be asked to compare each candidate to herself. This could be very appropriate in a representative democracy where the representatives are supposed to serve as proxies for the citizens

Re: Tyranny of the Majority

2001-05-09 Thread Forest Simmons
On Tue, 8 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> From: Forest Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: Tyranny of the Majority > > >> One example I had in mind was Rwanda. Majority rule or > >> minority rule, same result: genocide. Solution: compromise > >> candidate with approval from b

Re: voting method: tie-breaking in IRV:

2001-05-09 Thread I Like IRVing
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 05/09/01 Hi Derek, you wrote: "My group is voting on names for conferences rooms. We have 18 nominations, and about as many voters." In any election in which we are going to elect more than one candidate, or room names as in yo

Re: [EM] Re: Tyranny of the Majority

2001-05-09 Thread Richard Moore
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Mr. Harper wrote in part- >> >> 100 A >> B > C >> 100 C >> B > A >> 1 B > A = C >> > Since none of them gets a YES majority, then none of them should be > elected > (even if there was a Condorcet Winner). > While I don't agree with Demorep's statement, it did get me

Re: Tyranny of the Majority

2001-05-09 Thread Anthony Simmons
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [EM] Re: Tyranny of the Majority >> Mr. Simmons wrote- >> Don't you think it's a bit strange to be complaining about >> how I'm attacking democracy??? Perhaps you're equating >> majority rule and democracy? They're not the same thing, you >> know. >> ---

[EM] Anthony on mathematics and logic

2001-05-09 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Anthony said: Perhaps to see the real purpose of Richard's use of a diagram, all you need is a little more explanation of the purpose of geometric diagrams. People use the diagrams primarily not because of the aesthetic consideration. If you remember high school algebra, then you recall that if