Re: Majority Rule

2001-07-29 Thread DEMOREP1
Mr. Cretney wrote- I agree, however, that you shouldn't just take First Past the Post out of the Westminster system and plonk in PR with everything else unchanged. Although, many countries have done essentially that, with varying degrees of success. The result is that parties have to work a lot

RE: [EM] Majority Rule

2001-07-29 Thread LAYTON Craig
Blake Cretney wrote: >I'm not sure I follow you. If it's just a regulation passed by >parliament, it can be amended by parliament. You seem to view normal >laws as being harder to change than the constitution. No, I just mean that there are a number of different things underpinning the system,

Re: [EM] Majority Rule

2001-07-29 Thread Blake Cretney
On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:31:14 +1000 LAYTON Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I think people have just come to associate majorities with > >democracy, through the simple case of two alternatives, where > >majority rule makes a kind of sense, but only as a special > >case. > > Unfortunately, the

RE: [EM] Judicial &c. Elections

2001-07-29 Thread LAYTON Craig
>Of course, you might be able to develop a system >where judges are appointed regardless of their politics. Similarly, >you might be able to choose Presidents without regard to their >politics. But the result is that you get someone of random ideology, >not someone who isn't political. Perhaps

RE: [EM] Majority Rule

2001-07-29 Thread LAYTON Craig
>I think people have just come to associate majorities with >democracy, through the simple case of two alternatives, where >majority rule makes a kind of sense, but only as a special >case. Unfortunately, the Westminster(ish) systems of Government; UK, Australia, Canada; depend on the concept of

[EM] Majority Rule

2001-07-29 Thread Anthony Simmons
>> From: Bart Ingles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [EM] Majority Rule >> Anthony Simmons wrote: >> > >> Says who? Maybe as far as two-candidate elections are concerned. The >> > >> phrase 'majority rule' itself seems historically recent. >> > >> > And perhaps a bit out of place in a conte

Re: Majority Rule

2001-07-29 Thread DEMOREP1
Mr. Ingles wrote- Of course, it would depend on where you look within the process. Multi-seat STV would do away with any pretense of majority rule within a district. But when looking at the makeup of a legislature, it would be more likely that a party with a majority of voters would control a m

Re: Responses to some of Forest's ideas

2001-07-29 Thread Bart Ingles
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/29/01 12:20:39 AM, you wrote: > > <<[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > See *consent of the governed* in the second paragraph of the U.S.A. > > Declaration of Independence. > > > > Democracy means majority rule --- as far as elections are conc

Re: Responses to some of Forest's ideas

2001-07-29 Thread DEMOREP1
In a message dated 7/29/01 12:20:39 AM, you wrote: <<[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > See *consent of the governed* in the second paragraph of the U.S.A. > Declaration of Independence. > > Democracy means majority rule --- as far as elections are concerned. Mr. Ingles wrote- Says who? Maybe

Re: [EM] Majority Rule

2001-07-29 Thread Bart Ingles
Anthony Simmons wrote: > > >> From: Bart Ingles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: Responses to some of Forest's ideas > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > See *consent of the governed* in the second paragraph of the U.S.A. > >> > Declaration of Independence. > >> > > >> > D

[EM] Majority Rule

2001-07-29 Thread Anthony Simmons
>> From: Bart Ingles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: Responses to some of Forest's ideas >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > >> > >> > See *consent of the governed* in the second paragraph of the U.S.A. >> > Declaration of Independence. >> > >> > Democracy means majority rule --- as far as elect