[EM] An alternative to Tideman

2002-04-29 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Yesterday, when I said that, having estimated the 2 top votegetters, and their probabilities of outpolling eachother, one could then estimate their win probabilities. But if that's done based on those other estimates named here, that can lead to mutually contradictory estimates, and that suggest

Re: [EM] election-utility strategy

2002-04-29 Thread Richard Moore
Forest Simmons wrote: > What if the polls could tell us (for each i and j) what percentage of the > voters approve both candidates i and j. If that percentage is not close > to the product of the percentages of approval for i and approval for j, it > would tell us that that approval for i and j a

Re: [EM] election-utility strategy

2002-04-29 Thread Forest Simmons
On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Richard Moore wrote: > > I think in non-zero-info cases, if the inference is based on each > candidate's probable vote totals and margin of error from a reliable > Approval-style poll, then the inference is supported by statistical > evidence, [etc.] This brings up the qu

[EM] RE: Gerrymander story- Economist

2002-04-29 Thread DEMOREP1
Alex wrote in part -- I wonder when they'll be able to say "Alex is in apartment 22 and registered with this party, and the guy in apt. 21 is a different party, so let's draw the line between those units." --- D- Welcome to the cynical world of minority rule gerrymanders. At least the gerryman

Re: The Allure of IRV

2002-04-29 Thread Forest Simmons
I agree with Mike's main point (that we should go after the public, and not worry too much about converting IRV proponents) as well as his secondary important point that rank balloting is not the right thing to take to the public at this point. By keeping things simple we can use simplicity as an

Re: [EM] Doubts on Approval Strategy

2002-04-29 Thread Richard Moore
Rob Lanphier wrote: > Let's assume a simple left-right spectrum, with candidates A, B, C, and D > (far left to far right). Let's also say that candidates B wins in a world > where there's accurate data, and everyone votes according to expected > strategy (where "B" and "C" are the only candidates

[EM] 2002 U.S.A. campaign finance law cases

2002-04-29 Thread DEMOREP1
http://www.law.stanford.edu/library/campaignfinance/ has th various 2002 U.S.A. campaign finance law cases. How many pounds (tons ???) of paper in all cases ??? I continue to note the indirect minority rule math of the ANTI-Democracy gerrymander/ plurality regime in the U.S.A. Congress that en

[EM] Ventura

2002-04-29 Thread Alex Small
Demorep- I agree that MN should have used a different election method, so that whoever their governor might be he can claim more than 37%% support. However, calling Ventura's election a "subversion of democracy" seems to imply that he shouldn't have taken office. If somebody fails to get a major

RE: [EM] Gerrymander story- Economist

2002-04-29 Thread Alex Small
I wonder when they'll be able to say "Alex is in apartment 22 and registered with this party, and the guy in apt. 21 is a different party, so let's draw the line between those units." Even better "This husband and wife are opposite parties. Since he sleeps on the left side of the bed and has his

RE: Bounded AV

2002-04-29 Thread DEMOREP1
Mr. Hager wrote in part- With the Venetian system, set it up so that a failure of any candidate to get at least 66% means that all candidates are rejected and a new election with new candidates must be held. --- D- Democracy = 50 % plus 1 ANTI- Democracy = less than 50 % plus 1 Super-Democrac

Re: [EM] Doubts on Approval Strategy

2002-04-29 Thread Adam Tarr
Rob L wrote: >Let's assume a simple left-right spectrum, with candidates A, B, C, and D >(far left to far right). Let's also say that candidates B wins in a world >where there's accurate data, and everyone votes according to expected >strategy (where "B" and "C" are the only candidates who get o

RE: [EM] Gerrymander story- Economist

2002-04-29 Thread Narins, Josh
What a great link, thanks. 98% re-election? North Korea would be proud? BLAH! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: [EM] Gerrymander story- Economist The Economist, a U.K. politics magazine, has a story

Re: [EM] Bounded AV

2002-04-29 Thread Olli Salmi
I recently read something about elections in Venice. I think it was in this PDF file, which I found when I wasd looking for information on Ramón Llull (or Lull) who invented Condorcet voting in the 13th century. Voting in Medieval Universities and Religious Orders http://www.nuff.ox.ac.uk/users/mc

[EM] Doubts on Approval Strategy

2002-04-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, I've been somewhat following the various "approval strategy" threads, and I'm still a little skeptical. In addition to the three-way problem that Richard Moore points out, I think a more troubling problem will be in getting good polling data. When asked in some NYTimes/ABC/Disney/WorldC