RE: [EM] Who did you say won?

Hrm. I studied this particular issue. Some people from Harvard applied Bayesian Ecological Inferences to the absentee ballots. They report the fact that, according to the Office of the Florida Secretary of State, ON ELECTION DAY, Gore was ahead by 202 votes. So, at the moment it was called for B

RE: [EM] election-methods-list moving

I see only the list when I reply-to-all. More often than not my primitive input to this list really only merits a comment to the post author, and not to the list itself. Take, for example, this post :) > -Original Message- > From: Adam Tarr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, Feb

RE: Population paradox

I would note one thing about MEP and the rule that each state gets one Rep. If you skip the first step of MEP (where each state gets 1) and just start apportioning from there, by the time you get to 434 all states but Wyoming have at least one Rep. If you give the last Rep (#435) to Wyoming, you

RE: Population paradox

The article is kinda funny. One, as I already showed, the smallest states get less than their share in 2000, and they got less than their share in 1990 (which I have checked, but not shown here) The article states "Of course, politics also played a role in the outcome, as it always has: the switc

RE: Population paradox

> > The only issue is the overall standard deviation > between district > > sizes can sometimes be helped by _REDUCING_ the number of seats. FOr > > instance, at the last Apportionment (2000). Although 435 > seats were given > > out, if only 432 had been, the standard deviation of > distric

RE: Population paradox

A bias over time for small states? I think they are entirely incorrect. Over time, half the small states will have an advantage, half will be at a disadvantage. example today: Average district: 660K Wyoming: 490K (-170K) Montana: 905L (+245K) The way things are going, Montana will _NEVER_ get

RE: Population paradox

Joe, ` I thought I'd mention this a few times :) Huntington is no longer used, the "Method of Equal Proportions" is. (simple explanation of method: Step 1. each state gets 1 rep (by constitution, doesn't change results) Each "Step" after this involves giving

[EM] [OT] Computerized Counting

Hagel owns and operates the machines that counted his votes in Nebraska. There's lots more, too. http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm http://www.blackboxvoting.com/

RE: [EM] To Marquette, to Marquette ...

The neatest thing about McCall was his 2000 election run for State Comptroller. He ran many commercials. Commericals which said he was the pick of both the Democrat and Republican parties. Quite odd, from the outsider's perspective. Albany is a _very_, _very_ old school government. Recently a

[EM] Voting System of the World link requested

Someone posted it once. The Israeli election are over. Sharon has cleaned up. Was wondering what kind of system they use that elects the Butcher of Sabra to Prime Minister It's probably the "Fuck It, I never liked this god damned planet anyway" Sharon Election == Guaranteed Israeli involvement

RE: [EM] Nanson in the USA

This is too important for the election-methods-list. Let's wait for the annual convention. As soon as we decide on where that should be. Can anyone recommend a way to decide? -Josh Serious Narins -- This message is in

[EM] Any updates on Voting in Med Univ & Relig ORders?

A while ago someone linked to a great paper, http://www.nuff.ox.ac.uk/users/mclean/Voting%20in%20Medieval%20Universities% 20and%20Religious%20Orders.pdf Does anyone know if that paper ma

[EM] The Swiss, Living at the Edge of Democracy

They held the world's first internet vote. http://slashdot.org/articles/03/01/20/132209.shtml?tid=95 http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/aptech_story.asp?category=1700&slug=S witzerland%20Internet%20Voting

RE: [EM] 1-Person-1-Vote has been abandoned.

Which, although too much to digest in a single read-through, perfectly segues into a crazy idea I had the other day. Game Theory is a geometry, someone told me. The difficult part of voting math is often the cyclical nature of certain results (A>B B>C C>A) (anyone who reads this list can come to

RE: [EM] Voting site updated

Could you please supply some sample matrices? I don't have one on me at the moment, they're in my other pants. Thx, can't wait to try it. -Original Message- From: Eric Gorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Voting site

RE: [EM] Advanced Math question

Forest is correct. I found out if I want to get better at one type of bond math, I should learn "Sigma Algebra" And I bought the "For All Practical Purposes" episode on voting, which can be used as a 30-60 minute introduction to the topic for _anyone_ who is willing to not be put off by the low p

Computing Results (RE: [EM] Advanced Math question)

different methods. This brute-force approach would rapidly bog down with large numbers of candidates (especially in Perl or other interpreted languages), but you might see some interesting trends even with a limit of 5 or 6 candidates. There's my two cents. Bart "Narins, Josh"

RE: [EM] Advanced Math question

tering have helped me from time to time. We need people with all different kinds of backgrounds to help us find new ways of looking at these election methods. Forest On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Narins, Josh wrote: > > What branches of mathematics are generally used when approaching this > top

RE: [EM] Elections Results theory

First off, the typo, I said 'just to the _right_ of the mode' when I meant 'just _outside_ the mode' (when viewed from the center). Second, this is the best way to move the party away from the center, not any other aim. shrug -Original Message- From: Narins, Josh Se

RE: [EM] Elections Results theory

This page highlights were I got my dumb idears frum http://voteview.uh.edu/House_Democrat_Leadership_Race.htm -Original Message- From: Narins, Josh Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 1:08 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [EM] Elections Results theory Completely untestable,

[EM] Elections Results theory

Completely untestable, I suspect, and a possibly dangerous theory. Hypothetically (and really) a Deliberative Assembly exists within a two party system, where the members form two evenly split camps, but whose actual positions can be mapped to a one-dimensional space continuum. Hypothetically, th

RE: [EM] 12/30/02 - Alex, Irving still holds the Trump Card:

> the expense of implementing ranked ballots. Cheapskate! (just ribbing you, Alex, but I am making a point here) How valuable is a Democratic Republic? How valuable is an Aristocratic Republic (the kind where we chuse, by elections, our "leaders"). I'm the kind of guy who doesn't really care a

[EM] Advanced Math question

What branches of mathematics are generally used when approaching this topic? It sure seems more like Algebra than Geometry, so that's easy. Is it all stuff I learned in Linear Algebra, or does it go farther than that? Here's a tidbit, in Finance, the stochastic/filtration people rely somewhat o

RE: [EM] Josh--Sorry about typo

No problem. Adam Tarr helped out by pointing it out, also. -joh -Original Message- From: MIKE OSSIPOFF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Josh--Sorry about typo Josh wrote: Mike uses this example... 60: ABCDE 70

RE: Show us the ballots, mikeo

Mike uses this example... 60: ABCDE 70: BACDE 100: B 83: DECBA 75: EDCBA A & E get eliminated, and their transfers leave C with the fewest votes. C gets eliminated though C is CW and though C is the voted favorite of more people than is any other candidate. C is the Condorcet Winner? 230 people

RE: [EM] 12/23/02 - Show Us The Ballots Mikeo!!

Hey Donald, you wrote this... -- Mikeo: "One advantage that Runoff has over IRV is that, with Runoff, at least a CW can't lose if s/he comes in 1st or 2nd in the 1st balloting, whereas in IRV a CW can lose even if s/he's the favorite of by far the most people. The scenario in which th

RE: [EM] 12/19/02 - `Mikeo the man of many Typos'

Alex, AMEN! I think Craig and Donald are on to us. Our scam, which we have been carefully planning since 1283 AD/CE, is to make sure that our candidate, who for now must remain nameless, wins in 2032 with our devious tactic of having "garbage" vote. We are currently en-grossed in registering mos

RE: [EM] history of Condorcet voting

Blake and Mike surely know that the Debian Project uses condorcet. I mention it because I think Debian is the best. And I'd be more likely to know than the average bear. www.debian.org It's a type of Linux. The people who make Apache, the world's most widely used webserver, like Linux, specifi

RE: [EM] Best method in use?

Finnish people tend to brag about their system I think they have sophisticated voting for both their elections and their assmebly procedure (rules of debate) -Original Message- From: Michael Stephan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[EM] software

I like computer software. Does anyone have anything that, say, makes every collection of 100 ranked ballots of three candidates, throw them against 20 election methods, and see, for instance... What % of the time the Condorcet winner is the winner, if one exists? How few vote changes would chang

RE: [EM] Sports and 'The Condorcet Mindset'

Well, with IRV, you could only manipulate the outcome if you had near-perfect information on the votes of other people, otherwise your as likely to undo your own strategy as fulfill it. Borda, by comparison, can be "utterly" manipulated with no information, since you can bury someone all the way d

RE: [EM] Math Question

- From: Alex Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EM] Math Question Narins, Josh said: > There are 200 countries. Have 2 elections, each with 14 or 15 candidates. The first election selects a region, the second select

RE: [EM] NYTimes.com Article: A Third Party on the Right

Even though it is patently absurd, we should make the current problem sound like something that only negatively ffects whichever major party is currently the ruling junta. I think that would be the neoimperialist pluto-theo-crats, elsewise known as the Texas Oil Mafia However, we aren't going to

RE: [EM] Sports and 'The Condorcet Mindset'

The problem is math doesn't have a function for if (X is a scab-picking liar) { } Borda only works if the community is small enough that it can shame or otherwise punish liars. For instance, if you vote for someone last who happens to win, you get an arm chopped off. :) In secret balloting at

RE: [EM] Sports and "The Condorcet Mindset"

Alex asks "Why would Donald..." And I go "Oooh Oooh, I know!" :op -Original Message- From: Alex Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Sports and "The Condorcet Mindset" I know that IRV has been debated ad nauseum, b

[EM] Math Question

OK, I'm holding an election, where everyone in my company gets to vote on what country they want the next branch office in. I am planning to use ranked ballots, and will first look for a condorcet winner. This is a Highlander election (there can be only one :op) There are 200 countries. If I l

RE: [EM] Why is XML perfect?

or 100 times as big per vote. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EM] Why is XML perfect? On 30 Sep 2002 at 9:33, Narins, Josh wrote: > Here is a _well-formed_

RE: [EM] Why is XML perfect?

t for namespaces (which we should use, but can generally be ignored) and other features. I write SAX parsers all the time. For fun. -Original Message- From: Narins, Josh Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:33 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [EM] Why is XML perfect? XML ca

[EM] Why is XML perfect?

XML can represent all data. XML is still on version 1.0 (name another widely used computer specification that is!) Humans and computer can read much XML. All major computer languages have XML support, even XMLNS (XML with NameSpaces) Here is a _well-formed_ (1) and _0valid (2) XML document for vot

[EM] Links

Hadn't seen it posted here, so, here ya go. www.electionworld.org It doesn't mention voting systems, but, it does show what happens when you get a good one :) http://www.electionworld.org/finland.htm -- This message is

RE: [EM]

Joe, this statement is not rigorous. > Four levels are surely enough to > distinguish substantially distinct degrees of active approval. >From something I read back in college, 7 levels (much above, above, slightly above, average, slightly below, below, much below) is "sufficient" -Origi

RE: [EM] Ranked-Pairs needs a new name

My apologies to Mike. I thought he was saying he WANTED the name "Keep Unnullified Defeats" Chalk one down against my "Reading Comprehension" marks. :( -Original Message- From: MIKE OSSIPOFF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc

RE: [EM] Slightly off-topic but interesting

Daniel Patrick Moynihan (4 term Senator from New York, retired in 2001) used to publish an annual called "The Federal Budget and the States" that did extensive analysis of this. His last presentation of this was after Election 2000, and it was instantly obvious how ironic it was. Or, maybe it is

RE: [EM] party co-operation on electoral reform

Please read Esprit de Lois, by Charles-Louis deSecondat, Baron de Montesquieu. Our nation was founded by people who... 1. Loved Montesquieue's contribution to the science of Politics. (esp. Madison, Jefferson, and Adams, when he was younger) 2. Would be, by M's definition, not Democratic

RE: [EM] Ranked-Pairs needs a new name

Dear Mike, I, recently, through no fault of my own, happened across a member of the "public." I say, what a bunch they are, with all their little ideas about things, and their little wants. But I'm sure you, Mike, must have met some of this same "sort," probably as part of your e

RE: [EM] Silver Linings in Alaska

I'd remind the readers of this fascinating little article, which includes this summary of Athenian voting... http://www.nuff.ox.ac.uk/users/mclean/Voting%20in%20Medieval%20Universities% 20and%20Religious%20Orders.pdf In democratic Athens in the era of Pericles [Josh: he died in 429 BC], the gover

RE: [EM] Silver Linings in Alaska

COMMUNICATION SKILLS CRITIQUE: "We call for the implimentation of instant proportional representation and instant runoff voting _or other single-winner election methods_" It's BOTH scarily precise ("instant proportional representation with q-flag squared approximations to the Zither-Mode

RE: [EM] A Small Loss

Maybe now would be the time to approach the new lady with a letter of the form... We know Cynthia said some unusual things, and for that, we are not so sorry to see her go, but she also held some views important to us, views existing outside the realm of partisanship or conspiracy theorie

[EM] She underlined the single word, "Eskimo."

Hallo from the NAS guy! News from the rear-edge of voting technology! Peee-Euwww! Anywho. This is how it goes... Preferential Voting. The term preferential voting refers to any number of voting methods by which, on a single ballot when there are more than two possible choices, the second o

RE: [EM] Approval is flawed (write D. Davison)

>4) It will not allow us to have a most preferred choice: > ... [I]n Approval Voting, all choices are counted as first choices. Isn't that a lie? Of course it allows a "most" preferred choice. When you choose just one person. hmmph. I'm still up for Condorcet though. :) -Original Message

RE: [EM] Seized by an idea - my changed views

FYI, Although the "President" of Athens was chosen by lot (random) you had to 1. volunteer for the lottery 2. submit to a tribunal of judges after your day as President was over this discouraged the completely inept from putting their name among the list of potential presidents Preside

RE: What are we all about?, etc.

One Person, One Vote comes from the Levellers of the Great Civil War, England, 1642-1661. Since standard voting was simply "lone-mark," that's probably all they consciously meant. -Original Message- From: Richard Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:21 PM To: [

RE: What are we all about?

> Hare/IRV tends to become erratic with more than seven > or so candidates in the race, particularly when > some of the candidates are ideologically similar. SEE: France -Original Message- From: Bart Ingles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:34 AM To: [EMAIL

RE: [EM] What are we all about?

> I fear we are in imminent danger of becoming the > Locofocos of the electoral reform movement. In the long run, we can't lose. We just might not win fast enough. Even if there is a nuclear war, eventually the roaches will start using something other than plurality and IRV, if they've got even

RE: [EM] Approval Strategy for the Average Citizen

In numerous studies repeated at academic institutions around the world, coin toss studies, even allowing for the highly contentious "ignore-coin-if-you-want" option, resulted in lower test scores than for those who actually studied. -Original Message- From: Forest Simmons [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [EM] 06/16/02 - Let's `Sort-Out' the Candidates:

This idea has fired off a synapse. I'm part of AOL's totally corrupt simSenate. We have rules for voting. We don't use email, we use USENET style message boards. Oddly, there is no Speaker, but a lowly clerk who handles which committees things go to, and the like. It's corny, but I use it as a

[EM] [OT] Loya Jirga To Elect New President of Afghanistan!

Welcome to the Loya Jirga of Afghanistan! Please make exactly ONE check mark next to ONE name on the ballot below. [ ] Hamid Karzai (candidate has withdrawn) Zaher Shah (candidate has withdrawn) Burhanuddin Rabbani Thank you for your participation in the democratic process! -

[EM] SPAM

I'm pretty positive all the spam I get at work comes from people lifting my email address of this list. Any chance the archives could mask everyone's email? Thank you, Josh Narins -- This message is intended only for

RE: [EM] unsatisfied with implications of Condorcet method (fwd)

Well, your friend's example is fairly imaginary. However, your friend is very confused about the variations after the lack of a clear CW is found. For instance, why does your friend assume the lone-mark/plurality winner wins when there is no CW winner? That is only one of numerous options. So,

RE: [EM] The billiard ball theory of voting

FYI In computer science there is no difference in the results between a bubble sort, a quick sort, et cetera, the only difference is the O(n) expectation of how long the sort would take. At least, to the best of my knowledge. -Original Message- From: Forest Simmons [mailto:[EMAIL PROT

RE: [EM] 05/23/02 - Single-Seat Cumulative is not FPTP:

You know, the one thing that always confused me about IRV was this... Some people choose A through J as first choice. D is the loser in terms of IRV for the first round. Why should the people who chose the loser get the power to then decide the winner in subsequent rounds? I mean, the people I

RE: [EM] 05/16/02 - More Code Words:

Donald, I'm concerned about the amount of crack cocaine you are consuming. -Original Message- From: Donald Davison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:54 AM To: [EM] Subject: [EM] 05/16/02 - More Code Words: 05/16/02 - More Code Words: Greetings list mem

RE: [EM] Forest's 3-bit approval method

Well, this is interesting. For the record, Social Scientist types have found that a 7 bit system is most amenable to people's tastes. Strong Approve Approve Weak Approve Neutral Weak Disapprove Disapprove Strong Disapprove I'm not saying 7bit is better than 3bit, just that, when push comes to s

RE: [EM] Gerrymander story- Economist

What a great link, thanks. 98% re-election? North Korea would be proud? BLAH! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: [EM] Gerrymander story- Economist The Economist, a U.K. politics magazine, has a story

RE: [EM] Midterm Candidates Raise Big Money

Considering that Republicans raise 1.5 times or more their Democrat rivals, this article, pointing out only races where Democrats outspent Republicans, is pretty skewed. Ms. Theimer needs a whooping. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, Ap

RE: The Rotted Electoral College (was Action)

The book "The Corruption of the Senate" was published in 1906. I haven't read it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 5:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Rotted Electoral College (was Action) Mr. Hager wrote in

RE: [EM] Parliamentarianism

fered. Cambridge also have an extensive site on a computerized STV voting system called Juliet, coded in Java. Here's the programmer's manual, if it's still online: http://thor.cam.ac.uk/group/CST1b/juliet/swc23/ProgDoc.htm. Olli Salmi At 22:52 +0300 12.4.2002, Narins, Josh wrote: >

[EM] Parliamentarianism

Dear EMers, Has anyone written on the relation between multi-option voting systems and parliamentary procedure? I was thinking this morning... Why have votes on amendments at all? All amendments and the bill itself could be voted on simultaneously. In that context, you can wager

RE: [EM] Action

Candidate Hager writes: My expectation is that, based upon the regional data, the top 3 would have been Lincoln, Douglas, and Bell. In the real election, the top 3 EV winners were Lincoln, Breckenridge, and Bell. Split vote seemed to kill Douglas in both the free and slave regions of the countr

RE: [EM] Action

I have researched 1860. It's quite a spectacle. Lincoln pretty much cheated to get the party nomination over Seward, using the corrupt Chicago machine to get the Seward supporters out of the Hall during the third(?) ballot. However, without abandoning the electoral college, it appears as if Lin

RE: [EM] Josh: Set aside political differences

I can't have anything to do with Richard Mellon Scaife, because I believe he is trying to destroy the country. Richard Mellon Scaife (and his cohorts, Olin/Bradley/Coors/Koch) have, for all intents and purposes, co-opted national Libertarianism through the Cato Institute. Maybe their are drunkar

RE: [EM] Action

At lunch I discussed "VOTER CHOICE" with a co-worker. He had doubts. When I said "PRO-VOTER REFORM" he said that was good. Who could be ANTI-VOTER Re: E. Europe. OK, I see your point clearly. Perhaps we could stick to SF and Vermont as examples of reform? Maybe it will seem to thin. Re: "br

RE: [EM] Action

A few points, sorry the order is so screwy. 1. I want a 3 line summary, a 1 paragraph summary, a 1 page summary, and the report, all in .pdf, and I want them yesterday :) 2. I really like the name "VOTER CHOICE". Could we vote on it? :) 3. I could probably translate to .pdf for us (Perl has som

RE: [EM] RE: Action

> indirect minority rule existing in the U.S.A. It may not be completely intentional in this instance, but the USA is designed to protect voting minorities. If the system in place were actually protecting majorities, we'd have a strong case to remove it. -Original Message- From: [EMAI

RE: [EM] How to proceed

hough. -Original Message- From: Anthony Simmons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 8:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] How to proceed >> From: "Narins, Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [EM] How to proceed >> Even if

RE: [EM]

Alex, thanks for the answer. This was the question I was shooting for... Demorep offered numbers like... AZ House +20.53% GOP overrepresentation KY House +23.43% Dem overrepresentation One can't just add those two numbers to find out, overall, which party, and by how much, is overrepresented i

RE: [EM] 04/03/02 - Cretney is not reading all his EM email:

George Walker Bush is going to send zero emails for his entire Presidency, in part, for this reason. In part, because he wants no trail. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:03 AM To: [EM] Subject: [EM] 04/03/02 - Cretney

RE: [EM] Interesting article

This article was about a small (pop 10K) town in CT where the new residents (wealthy) democratically voted for a very large bond issue to improve the already notable local school system. The author contends that Democracy failed the long time residents, whom he refers to as "Swamp Yankees." It's

[EM] How to proceed

Hi! I told the story, poorly, perhaps, of the changes in the process of Reapportionment in the United States. I did this primarily to indicate how progress in Election Methods might occur. 1. The National Academy of Sciences will have to study the issue for many years. They've got some quality

RE: [EM] U.S.A. government elections, Seats Percentages versusVo tes Percentages

Interesting stuff. Is there any way to sum the House and Senate over/under representation figures? Thanks, -Josh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:57 PM Subject: [EM] U.S.A. government elections, Seats Percentages versu

RE: [EM] More on Gerrymander prevention

Ease-of-communication got me thinking. I think the map should be non-geographic, and, instead, road-based. Dense networks of roads should not be separated into separate districts. An urban area on two sides of a bridge could easily be divided. Ignoring real geography in exchange for the human-b

RE: [EM] A polite spelling correction

Actually, people are not "nauseus," they are "nauseated". Only things like rotten eggs can be "nauseus," usually. -Original Message- From: MIKE OSSIPOFF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] A polite spelling correction An

RE: [EM] U.S.A. GOVERNMENT - VOTING POWER INEQUALITIES, NOV.2000 ELECTION

Are you using the 2000 census for your population data? I have 490K for Wyoming and many more for D.C. Your last table has Wyoming behind D.C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 10:22 PM Subject: [EM] U.S.A. GOVERNMENT -

RE: [EM] Gerrymandering and PR

2 things. Uno> Senators aren't really representing half the State. I don't see why you'd want to divide the State. Dos> It has occurred to me that PR districts for urban areas and single member districts for rural districts has a certain appeal. The Republicans might get a 2nd winner in NYC, fo

RE: [EM] Anthony & reductio ad absurdum issue

Mike writes: > I'd believe them before I'd believe Anthony that they're wrong, > because, for one thing, they can spell "reductio ad absurdum". Mike has a good point here, spelling bee champions are the most reliable types of people, in any circumstance. -Josh, President of Spelling Fascists Fo

RE: [EM] More on Gerrymander prevention

Jurij writes, tantalizingly... > Altman is saying that automated redistricting is not practical and possible, > but I am saying that it is possible and I also developed a method and used > it on a practical example - my country. And did your country adopt said redistricting??? -Original Mes

RE: [EM] Zimbabwe

out IRV. Other stories were things like recession timing according to NBER, and something to do with Israel/Palestine, but I forget what. -Original Message- From: Anthony Simmons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [EM] Zimb

RE: [EM] WSJ Gerrymander story

asible) doesn't stop Gerrymandering. Perhaps you meant "compactness" in some non-technical sense. We could require minimization (over all districts) of the maximum diameter, for example. Forest On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Narins, Josh wrote: > A more reasonable measure might

RE: [EM] Zimbabwe

bject: [EM] Zimbabwe >> From: "Narins, Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: RE:Zimbabwe [EM] >> >>>> However, I really don't know who the MPDC (the opposition) >> >>>> was. >> >> MDC. Movement for Democratic Change. &g

RE: [EM] Redistricting Op-Ed from LA Times (fwd)

A decent number of states have non-partisan redistricting. New Jersey's, apparently, is a model. Here is a list of all the procedures, but I'm sure there are better... http://www.c-span.org/state_local/districts.asp -Original Message- From: Alex Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mo

RE: Zimbabwe [EM]

Doesn't stop us from using Kygryz military bases, though. -Original Message- From: Narins, Josh Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 5:08 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE:Zimbabwe [EM] >>>> However, I really don't know who the MPDC (the opposition) >>

RE:Zimbabwe [EM]

However, I really don't know who the MPDC (the opposition) was. >> MDC. Movement for Democratic Change. I knew that much. What I don't know is what they stand for, or, what sort of backgrounds their leaders have. Who funds them? Are they just another band of thugs, who happen to the i

RE: [EM] Letter

You might want to form a front group first ;) My friend almost had a letter to the editor published in the NY Times. They called him, asked if was associated with any groups, had any credentials. He said no. They didn't publish. :( -Original Message- From: Anthony Simmons [mailto:[EMAI

RE: Approval's effect on candidates

I like to look at the Election of 1860. I guess you liked Bell? Bell was the Constitutional Union Party candidate. They won Virginia, Tenn., Kentucky, and maybe Texas. the CU party believed "Hey, Slavery is tearing the country apart, we are the party of 'Slavery is not an issue'" It was Sam Ho

[EM] Stupid People Tricks

Dearest and Kind GentleFolk; What do stupid people do? They hire PR firms. General Dostum hired one to clean up his image as the murderous, thuggish, rapacious pillager of northern Afghanistan, and *he* expects it to work[1]. Imagine what it would do for "us"! Since any discussion of my own pers

RE: The History of Apportionment

Actually, I wrote entirely incorrectly. The method selected was the Method of Equal Proportions. The Method of Harmonic Mean was not selected. Whoops :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sub

RE: [EM] Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. ___ (2000)

> On November 8, 2000, the day following > the Presidential election, the Florida Division of Elections reported > that petitioner, Governor Bush, had received 2,909,135 votes, and > respondent, Vice President Gore, had received 2,907,351 votes, a margin > of 1,784 for Governor Bush. Interesting

[EM] The History of Apportionment

Apportionment, another math in Politics. Apportionment is the process, done every 10 years after the census, of giving a share of the total 435 Representatives to each of the 50 States. Constitutionally, the only requirements are that each State must have at least one Rep, and there can't be mor

RE: [EM] Josh's letter

Hell, I was going to rewrite the letter for him, but this guy doesn't deserve it. -Original Message- From: MIKE OSSIPOFF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Josh's letter Dear Josh Narins: You wrote: Mike, We all have

[EM] Strategy and Winner-Take-All

Has anyone gone out and proved that a winner-take-all system will always result in a two party system, based on the inclusion of all reasonable strategies where there is no major information sharing between voters? Outside of any state repression of the second candidate's voters, of course :)

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