Re:[EM] Condorcet vs Approval

2001-03-06 Thread Forest Simmons
Here's a simple example that I hope will be of interest to those who believe that there can be valid distinctions in levels of approval: Utilities: 3 210 -- Faction 1: AB C Faction 2: CB A Assume zero information from polls,

RE: [EM] Condorcet vs Approval

2001-03-05 Thread Forest Simmons
Craig, thanks for the critique. I mentioned in one posting that I owed Joe W., Bart I., and Martin H. for certain insights that led to the need for (and certain features of) a finer resolution dyadic system. I also owe you for your excellent example with utilities and poll results that showed

RE: [EM] Condorcet vs Approval

2001-03-02 Thread Forest Simmons
Thanks to Martin Harper and Craig Layton for valuable critiques. In particular, Martin is right. The voters should be able to make distinctions among their unapproved candidates, too. Here's a more ideal version of a compromise between Condorcet and Approval, which could be considered a dyadic

RE: [EM] Condorcet vs Approval

2001-03-02 Thread Forest Simmons
One other thing. In a zero information election, start by expressing your utilities in binary rounded to three binary digits, this takes you directly to the second representation of the dyadic refined approval ballot below, bypassing the strategic , , and boundary calculations. Forest On

RE: [EM] Condorcet vs Approval

2001-03-02 Thread Forest Simmons
For this zero information direct utility conversion to work best, all utilities should be between zero and .99, and after the conversion to binary, truncate to three binary digits (instead of rounding). It's hard to say whether this method is more in the spirit of Approval or the spirit of

Re: [EM] Condorcet vs Approval

2001-03-02 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
If you solve circular ties by Approval, where candidates whom you've ranked get an Approval vote from you, then you have to worry about strategy, how far to extend you ranking, even if there's no danger of anyone using offensive order-reversal strategy. With Condorcet, in the form of PC,

[EM] Condorcet vs Approval

2001-03-01 Thread Forest Simmons
I have ambiguous feelings about my two favorite methods. Sometimes it seems like Condorcet is over-elaborate, making fine distinctions between the deck chairs on the sinking Titanic. (How's that for a mixed metaphor?) On the other hand, there are times when Approval strategy leaves me in a

Re: [EM] Condorcet vs Approval

2001-03-01 Thread Ultra Runner
Forest Simmons wrote: I have ambiguous feelings about my two favorite methods. Sometimes it seems like Condorcet is over-elaborate, making fine distinctions between the deck chairs on the sinking Titanic. (How's that for a mixed metaphor?) On the other hand, there are times when

Re: [EM] Condorcet vs Approval

2001-03-01 Thread Martin Harper
Forest Simmons wrote: I have a couple of suggested compromises starting with Condorcet and moving towards Approval, but stopping short of ordinary Approval. Looking at just the first for now... I. Condorcet. I prefer the version of Condorcet that allows voters to give a partial preference

RE: [EM] Condorcet vs Approval

2001-03-01 Thread LAYTON Craig
Joe wrote (in relation to Forest's Condorcet//Approval compromise): I like it - was considering the same thing myself (Smith//Approval, I guess it'd be called). If there's only strategy in Condorcet methods if there's a tie, then it'd make sense to resolve the tie using methods which have