Re: [EM] Is no Clones rule but EMers that it was used?

> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:59:16 +1300 > From: Craig Carey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Notes on total withholding over nonexistent withheld Schulze Clones test > > Communication from the owner of the 'Politicians And Polytopes' > mailing list. > > I ha

Re: [EM] Is no Clones rule but EMers that it was used?

n the > wording, which of these is the case?: > * "is only needed" refers to the designer's intent ?, or > * it is implied by some detail proof that was missing. That's a matter of taste. Those situations where all voters are indifferent about all candidates can be exc

Re: [EM] Is no Clones rule but EMers that it was used?

Dear Craig, "Independence from Clones" is a criterion for single-winner elections. "Independence from Clones" has been introduced by Tideman. Please read: [1] T. Nicolaus Tideman, "Independence of Clones as a Criterion for Voting Rules," SOCIAL CHOICE AND WELF

[EM] Re: New clones definition?

Origin of clones- N1 A > B N2 B > A N Total votes C comes along C *may* beat - A B A and B neither A or B (is beat by both A and B). The degree of beatings may, of course, vary --- by 1 vote to 100 percent of the votes. One can not obviously detect if a beating is due to in

Re: [EM] New clones definition?

100: A The proposal makes A and B 'clones'! Well, if you don't like an example which starts with just two candidates and therefore will reduce to no-contest when one is deleted, let's try again with a third candidate, e.g. start with: 100: A>B>C. Either way - deleting

[EM] New clones definition?

I just thought of a possible definition of clones: Candidates A and B are clones in a ranked-ballot election if and only if deleting A from the ballots and renaming B as A is equivalent to deleting B from the ballots. Example: 49:Reagan>Anderson>Carter 33:Carter>Anderson>Reagan

[EM] Clones- 4 choice example

Some more about the mysteries of clones --- 34 ABC 33 BCA 32 CAB 99 First 2 places A 66 B 67 Max C 65 X a 100 percent clone of A comes along 34 AXBC 33 BCAX 32 CAXB 99 First 2 places Last 2 places A 66 33 X 34 65 B 33 66 Max C 65

[EM] Dismal bunch of clown clones

would say, "What a dismal bunch of clown clones!" One possibility is that people will approve only a few candidates no matter how large the field, or that the number of approvals will increase with increasing number of candidates, but not as fast. For (speculative) example, with four c

Re: [EM] Clones Oct 28, 2000

Demorep wrote: > >51 AB >49 BA > >Choice C comes along > >Some extreme possibilities-- > >C is first on all ballots > >51 CAB >49 CBA > >Are both A and B mutant reverse clones of C ??? No! C isn't a clone with A or with B. Clones are candidates w

[EM] Clones Oct 28, 2000

The recent Ossipoff-Schulze back and forth comments about clones lead me again to note the below. 51 AB 49 BA Choice C comes along Some extreme possibilities-- C is first on all ballots 51 CAB 49 CBA Are both A and B mutant reverse clones of C ??? -- C beats A on every ballot 51 CAB 49

[EM] Useful Propositions re: clones & tie-breaking

The following definitions, lemmas, and propositions may be generally useful in proving properties about voting methods. Many of the them are related to independence of clones. I haven't provided proofs of the lemmas, due to lack of time. Hopefully I will find time at a later

[EM] tied clones retraction

EM list-- Right after I sent my most recent posting, it occurred to me that 2 of my reasons for preferring SSD's choice in the tied clone sets example weren't really good reasons at all. The one about lesser-of-2-evils voters, and the one about the fairness of overruling the fewest voters. Beca

[EM] Clones and Borda

67 67 234 K 65 32 X 99 99 295 Max. M 65 32 0 X 99 196 N 65 32 0 0 X 97 990 = 99 x 10 Note the A defeats by K, M and N. Creating clones obviously produces misleading Borda amounts. Namely, simple Borda is highly defective. Again- the highest

[EM] Clones in Circular Ties

35 ABDC 34 BDCA 31 CABD 100 A > B and D, B and D > C, C > A, 100 B > 0 D Going backwards, even the 2 or 3 choice cases can be deemed to have an element of cloneness. Namely, the largest head to head defeat shows the largest clone (noting that head to head comparisons may involve di

Partial clones

Should partial twins/clones be given special treatment ? Example-- 25 BAC 20 ABC 15 CAB Should the 15 [ABC] clone and 5 [AB] clone be treated special ?

RE: Clones

Supplement 1 For clarification--- I suggest that Mr. Schulze's Clinton clone example should be treated as 120 voters vote [Clinton Clones] > Dole > Perot. 105 voters vote Dole > Perot > [Clinton Clones]. 75 voters vote Perot > [Clinton Clones] > Dole. That is

Clones

In Re: Condorect sub-cycle rule, Sat, Oct 4, 1997 12:18 PM EDT Mr. Schulze copied an example from Mr. Saari regarding clones > [Saari] Assume the following ratings (opinions): > > Apple-1 Apple-2 Apple-3 Chocolate (Ranking) > 20% Exc(99) Exc(98) Exc(97) Exc(95) A1>A2>A3>