Some perspective on Xmir setup seen in Ubuntu 13.10 and 14.04:
>From Canonical: http://blog.cooperteam.net/2013/07/xmir-performance.html
>From X/Wayland upstreams: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/26254.html
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2013/7/13 Sergio Costas
> And what about creating a WaylandMir? This is: as there is XMir that
> allows to run X apps over Mir, there should be possible to create a piece
> of code that translates Wayland calls to Mir calls. It should be even
> lighter than XMir because there are a lot of things
Hi:
And what about creating a WaylandMir? This is: as there is XMir that
allows to run X apps over Mir, there should be possible to create a
piece of code that translates Wayland calls to Mir calls. It should be
even lighter than XMir because there are a lot of things in X that you
must imple
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Daniel Foré wrote:
> Hey Robert,
>
> Thanks for the clarification! From our discussion with Jono we left with
> the impression that Canonical wasn't intending to get Gtk+ working natively
> on Mir
>
>
Oh, interesting. I spoke to another member of the Mir team about
Hey Robert,
Thanks for the clarification! From our discussion with Jono we left with the
impression that Canonical wasn't intending to get Gtk+ working natively on Mir
Best Regards,
Daniel Foré
El jul 10, 2013, a las 4:18 p.m., Robert Ancell
escribió:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:48
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <
joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
> Had to take a trip to #Ubuntu-mir on Freenode. I asked about this and
> Robert Carr replied: «We've always said that we were creating a GTK
> backend. but it's behind anything for the phone or the sys
Obviously that's ridiculous to think elementary would write all those apps. Our
mission is to build a platform, not every app you would expect to ever find.
That's what 3rd party developers are for.
Anyways, as Jono clarified, Gtk+ apps will run in rootless X so no need to
freak out.
Best Reg
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <
joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On 11 July 2013 00:28, Daniel Foré wrote:
>
>> See Jono's clarification :)
>>
>> There is absolutely no reason to believe that not supporting Gtk+ would
>> doom Ubuntu to fail. Android and iOS launched
However, as Jono said, GTK+ apps will continue to function as rootless X
apps anyway, so no one is removing any possibilites.
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <
joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On 11 July 2013 00:28, Daniel Foré wrote:
>
>> See Jono's clarification :)
On 11 July 2013 00:28, Daniel Foré wrote:
> See Jono's clarification :)
>
> There is absolutely no reason to believe that not supporting Gtk+ would
> doom Ubuntu to fail. Android and iOS launched just fine without supporting
> Windows or OS X apps.
>
However, neither Android or Ios were designed
See Jono's clarification :)
There is absolutely no reason to believe that not supporting Gtk+ would doom
Ubuntu to fail. Android and iOS launched just fine without supporting Windows
or OS X apps.
And in fact, this is not so different from our expectations either. A serious
OS needs apps that
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, cameron wrote:
> "I can tell you right now we'd have no intention of making Qt run on it."
>
> You would probably have no expectation of making KDE run on it, though. It
> is an odd stance Canonical is taking. They want elementary OS (and other
> spins) to use Mir
Sorry, I might have made it more clear that was speculation.
Best Regards,
Daniel Foré
El jul 10, 2013, a las 3:01 p.m., Manish Sinha
escribió:
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Foré wrote:
>> At the current rate, 14.04 may be the last version of Ubuntu under which you
>> can run Gtk
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Foré wrote:
> I can confirm that from speaking to Canonical employees and attending UDS
> that the tone has been for a long time that they will eventually stop
> supporting Gtk+ in favor of Qt
>
>
There has been quite some discussion in the past about focusi
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Jono Bacon wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Manish Sinha wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Foré
>> wrote:
>> > At the current rate, 14.04 may be the last version of Ubuntu under
>> which you can run Gtk+ apps unless the community
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Manish Sinha wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Foré
> wrote:
> > At the current rate, 14.04 may be the last version of Ubuntu under which
> you can run Gtk+ apps unless the community wants to build Mir support for
> Gtk+.
>
> I don't think I underst
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Foré wrote:
> At the current rate, 14.04 may be the last version of Ubuntu under which you
> can run Gtk+ apps unless the community wants to build Mir support for Gtk+.
I don't think I understand this properly. You mean to say that after
14.04 Ubuntu canno
On 10 July 2013 22:45, Daniel Foré wrote:
> I can confirm that from speaking to Canonical employees and attending UDS
> that the tone has been for a long time that they will eventually stop
> supporting Gtk+ in favor of Qt
>
For Ubuntu SDK apps, that has been known for quite a while and there ar
"I can tell you right now we'd have no intention of making Qt run on
it."
You would probably have no expectation of making KDE run on it, though.
It is an odd stance Canonical is taking. They want elementary OS (and
other spins) to use Mir, but they put no effort into supporting the
toolkits
I can confirm that from speaking to Canonical employees and attending UDS that
the tone has been for a long time that they will eventually stop supporting
Gtk+ in favor of Qt
At the current rate, 14.04 may be the last version of Ubuntu under which you
can run Gtk+ apps unless the community want
Em Qua, 2013-07-10 às 21:25 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad escreveu:
> It also seems kind of weird that a desktop distribution would want to
> make such an enormous amount of applications second class citizens in
> this way.
They already did. With or without Mir support, The GNOME stack and
Compiz a
I'm a little out of the scene now, but i don't really think we should do
everything canonical wants. Today they changed to Mir, tomorrow it can be
anything else.. And elementary has to follow them.
Also, i think that Ubuntu is no longer a good base distro for elementary to be
based on. There ar
While Jono is not the engineering lead for Mir, he said that he does
not expect Canonical to invest any time into making GTK work on Mir. He
did, however, say that he would bring it up with the engineering team
as a concern of ours.
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
On 10 July 2013 18:27, Daniel Foré wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
>
> So here’s the distilled conversation we had with Jono:
>
[snip]
> Obviously there are pros and cons. The biggest con is that it is highly
> unlikely Canonical will put staff hours into make sure stuff like Gtk+ and
> Clutter work
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Conscious User
wrote:
> Developers from elementaryOS should not be the main force
> behind porting toolkits to display servers. This is either
> the responsibility of toolkit developers or display server
> developers. If anything, for the deeper technical knowledg
Oh, I forgot: Mir and Mer are totally different things. Not a typo!
http://merproject.org/
FYI, it's with Wayland and Mer-based Sailfish OS is debuting this year's
end. *drools*
2013/7/10 Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
> 3. Canonical also has tools built around Mir that could enable us (and
>> ot
>
> 3. Canonical also has tools built around Mir that could enable us (and
> others) to easily “flash” our builds onto mobile devices using an
> Android/Mir base. This is probably the most unique/enticing part about
> using Mir.
Mer also provides this, and more. This is yet another thing that the
Developers from elementaryOS should not be the main force
behind porting toolkits to display servers. This is either
the responsibility of toolkit developers or display server
developers. If anything, for the deeper technical knowledge
this depends on.
Reactions from the GNOME community indicate
Hey everyone,
So here’s the distilled conversation we had with Jono:
1. Canonical wants Mir to be used by more than just Ubuntu. More users
tends to mean more developers which means a better product. Jono didn't say
it directly, but I think it's obvious that their interest in us is mainly
about
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