Re: Special Characters on Mac Emacs

2005-03-25 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:34:55 +0100, Sébastien Kirche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: >> I suppose no characters in mule-unicode-2500-33ff is accessible >> from QuickDraw Text API that Carbon Emacs is currently using for >> drawing text, at least when using with bundled fonts. > What i can'

Re: Menu again.

2005-03-25 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Kim Storm wrote: Can we take a poll on this issue and get done with it? I am _not_ going to participate in this poll. Decisions were already made about all three issues raised. Moreover, the polls would be completely rigged, because they are proposed just after somebody wrote several long di

Blinking Cursor (was Re: Menu again.)

2005-03-25 Thread Nick Roberts
> ...mouse-3 would not help them, because they would need to read the docs > before finding out about it. No but it might help those who have already read the docs. > Moreover, mouse-3 is already taken for other purposes. Not to give in (too) easily: (let ((click-posn (posn-point (event-st

Re: Menu again.

2005-03-25 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Nick Roberts wrote: I don't have strong views about what goes in the options menu-bar but how about toggling the blinking cursor with a mouse-3 click on the cursor? The idea of adding "Blinking Cursor" to the Menu Bar was to aid beginning users to whom the menu bar would be part of their f

Re: Auto-fill-mode bug: unbreakable space lost

2005-03-25 Thread Richard Stallman
BTW, now Emacs highlights non-breaking space and soft hyphen only for two charsets. Perhaps support for all other charsets should be added to xdisp.c? I.e. to test for the following characters: This seems like the right way to go. Could you do it in some reasonably clean way? _

Re: Menu again.

2005-03-25 Thread Richard Stallman
I made the decision to keep the Hide/Show menu as it is and put the new option at top level. I am disappointed that people started arguing about it again. Please, everyone, stop arguing so much! ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://l

Re: Menu again.

2005-03-25 Thread David Kastrup
Nick Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 2) Move Options=>Blinking Cursor to Appearence submenu? > > > >[ ] Yes [ ] No > > I don't have strong views about what goes in the options menu-bar but how > about toggling the blinking cursor with a mouse-3 click on the cursor? > As in (mouse

Re: Menu again.

2005-03-25 Thread Nick Roberts
> 2) Move Options=>Blinking Cursor to Appearence submenu? > >[ ] Yes [ ] No I don't have strong views about what goes in the options menu-bar but how about toggling the blinking cursor with a mouse-3 click on the cursor? As in (mouse-save-then-kill): (let ((click-posn (posn-point

Re: announcing thaiword.el?

2005-03-25 Thread Kenichi Handa
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As a compromise I suggest that M-f and M-b are mapped to > thai-forward-word and thai-backward-word, respectively, as soon as we > enter the Thai environment. This should be a two-liner or so for the > experienced Emacs

Re: Emacs from cvs & non-ascii characters

2005-03-25 Thread Kenichi Handa
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ismail Donmez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [1 ] > Hi all, > Lately emacs from cvs started to behave very weird. I used to enter non-ascii > characters just fine but lately when I enter euro character "â" it shows up > "?" in emacs and entering non-ascii charact

Re: lisp/generic-x.el build failure

2005-03-25 Thread Andreas Schwab
Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> When running 'make compile' from within the lisp/ directory, >>> I'm getting such errors: >> >> Try "make updates", then rebuild emacs, then retr

Re: Suggestion: Change C-x right / C-x left to C-x C-right / C-x C-left

2005-03-25 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: > IMHO, it be much simpler to cycle buffers if the next-buffer / > prev-buffer commands were on C-x C-right / C-x C-left instead of the > current bindings, C-x right / C-x left ? In X11, maybe (though I don't find C-x right particularly inconvenient). On

Re: Menu again.

2005-03-25 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I do not have the time to keep answering all the arguments you have >> already repeated 1001 times and which already have been answered before. > .. without reaching consensus on the issue!!! > > > Can we tak

Suggestion: Change C-x right / C-x left to C-x C-right / C-x C-left

2005-03-25 Thread Kim F. Storm
IMHO, it be much simpler to cycle buffers if the next-buffer / prev-buffer commands were on C-x C-right / C-x C-left instead of the current bindings, C-x right / C-x left ? -- Kim F. Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cua.dk ___ Emacs-devel mailin

Re: Toolbar: Suggestion for improved dired icon.

2005-03-25 Thread Jan D.
David Kastrup wrote: Just don't forget to reduce the colors some more, ideally not more than hundred. Otherwise people running on 8 bit displays will run out. When reducing colors, avoid dithering, it looks bad on icons this small. And use the same palette as for the other icons also, so the sum

Re: Possible change to startup.el

2005-03-25 Thread James Cloos
> "David" == David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> So where do we get copyright-free flag icons? >> KDE has a whole gallery. David> Are you sure that those are in the public domain? The openclipart project at freedesktop.org has flag images, and all of their stuff is public domain.

Re: Menu again.

2005-03-25 Thread Kim F. Storm
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I do not have the time to keep answering all the arguments you have > already repeated 1001 times and which already have been answered before. .. without reaching consensus on the issue!!! Can we take a poll on this issue and get done with it? Please

Re: Coding systems and Terminal.app on Mac OS X

2005-03-25 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 25.03.2005 um 19:31 schrieb Benjamin Riefenstahl: Hi Peter, Peter Dyballa writes: (with ls in Terminal I can't see UTF-8 file names correctly, only a??o??uU??O??A?, Try "ls -w". Hey, that's really great: adding -w makes me see my test files' names in Terminal and in xterm and too in the

Re: Toolbar: Suggestion for improved dired icon.

2005-03-25 Thread David Kastrup
"Jan D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>If Jan has an automated script, that's great. In the meantime I did >>>two new xpm's, a little bit brighter and two sizes bigger than the >>>first one. There are screenshots for them as well. >>> >>>diropen2.xpm - A bit too big, height 24px. >>> >>> >>

Re: Menu again.

2005-03-25 Thread Kim F. Storm
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> That is why Richard asked to commit it at top level. > >>From Richard's message of March 4: > > That is persuasive evidence; I am convinced. That "evidence" was clearly hoaxed as I showed in a subsequent mail. Without that evidence, maybe Richard

Re: announcing thaiword.el?

2005-03-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> The explanation is that you're not talking about the same thing. > Changing the forward-word function is out of the question (it's a > function used at may places, so changing its behavior has to be done > extremely carefully). That's what Richard is talking about. OK. > Whereas you're maybe j

Re: Toolbar: Suggestion for improved dired icon.

2005-03-25 Thread Jan D.
If Jan has an automated script, that's great. In the meantime I did two new xpm's, a little bit brighter and two sizes bigger than the first one. There are screenshots for them as well. diropen2.xpm - A bit too big, height 24px. Actually, I find that ok. diropen3.xpm - Feels better, heigh

Re: lisp/generic-x.el build failure

2005-03-25 Thread Jérôme Marant
Andreas Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Hi, >> >> When running 'make compile' from within the lisp/ directory, >> I'm getting such errors: > > Try "make updates", then rebuild emacs, then retry "make compile". When you say "rebuild emacs", I gue

Re: Antialiased text on X11

2005-03-25 Thread Miles Bader
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:50:53 +0100, Jan D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BTW, any time you make a branch tag, it's also good to make a > > corresponding non-branch `base' tag which is the trunk version the > > branch is relative too. > > Thanks for the tip. I notice you've done this, but it seem

Re: lisp/generic-x.el build failure

2005-03-25 Thread Andreas Schwab
Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > When running 'make compile' from within the lisp/ directory, > I'm getting such errors: Try "make updates", then rebuild emacs, then retry "make compile". Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SuSE Labs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SuSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxf

lisp/generic-x.el build failure

2005-03-25 Thread Jérôme Marant
Hi, When running 'make compile' from within the lisp/ directory, I'm getting such errors: In toplevel form: generic-x.el:160:22:Warning: reference to free variable `apache-conf-generic-mode' generic-x.el:177:22:Warning: reference to free variable `apache-log-generic-mode' generic-x.el:19

Re: Emacs from cvs & non-ascii characters

2005-03-25 Thread Andreas Schwab
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I've made a similar experience. The problem is that Emacs no longer sets >> the terminal coding system to mule-utf-8 when running in a UTF-8 locale >> (it's set to iso-latin-1 instead). That must have been introduced in the >> last 4 weeks. > > I bel

Re: Auto-fill-mode bug: unbreakable space lost

2005-03-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I second that. May be we should define the shift space (S-SPC) key to > produce the non-breaking space in the current charset (I did it for > Hebrew - iso8859-8). Please don't make it too easy to insert a NBSP, except in text modes. Subreptitious insertion of NBSP in code is a pain the . I just

Re: Emacs from cvs & non-ascii characters

2005-03-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I've made a similar experience. The problem is that Emacs no longer sets > the terminal coding system to mule-utf-8 when running in a UTF-8 locale > (it's set to iso-latin-1 instead). That must have been introduced in the > last 4 weeks. I believe I've fixed such a bug this morning. Can you c

Re: Auto-fill-mode bug: unbreakable space lost

2005-03-25 Thread Andreas Schwab
"Ehud Karni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I second that. May be we should define the shift space (S-SPC) key to > produce the non-breaking space in the current charset (I did it for > Hebrew - iso8859-8). The definition for non-breaking hyphen (minus) > can not be done this way, because shift hyp

Re: Possible change to startup.el

2005-03-25 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
From: Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:05:30 +0900 I'm confused as to why you don't like (a)... i empathize w/ the authors of the tutorials who may not wish to change their text. there are enough rules and regulations in the world (especially when you translate

Re: Emacs from cvs & non-ascii characters

2005-03-25 Thread Andreas Schwab
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Lately emacs from cvs started to behave very weird. I used to enter non-ascii >> characters just fine but lately when I enter euro character "â" it shows up >> "?" in emacs and entering non-ascii characters like "Ã,Ä,Å" results in >> nothing : no chara

Re: Emacs from cvs & non-ascii characters

2005-03-25 Thread Ismail Donmez
On Friday 25 March 2005 19:36, David Hansen wrote: > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:10:31 +0200 Ismail Donmez wrote: > > Lately emacs from cvs started to behave very weird. I used to > > enter non-ascii characters just fine but lately when I enter > > euro character "â" it shows up "?" in emacs and enterin

Re: Emacs from cvs & non-ascii characters

2005-03-25 Thread Ismail Donmez
On Friday 25 March 2005 19:17, you wrote: > When is "lately"? I did cvs up -D"2 weeks ago" and problem still exists. Some weird thing is going on here. My system is Ubuntu Linux Hoary version > Under which terminal emulator are you working? xterm? xterm & konsole > How do you enter those chars

Re: Emacs from cvs & non-ascii characters

2005-03-25 Thread David Hansen
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:10:31 +0200 Ismail Donmez wrote: > Lately emacs from cvs started to behave very weird. I used to > enter non-ascii characters just fine but lately when I enter > euro character "â" it shows up "?" in emacs and entering > non-ascii characters like "Ã,Ä,Å" results in nothing :

Re: Auto-fill-mode bug: unbreakable space lost

2005-03-25 Thread Ehud Karni
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:33:48 +0200, Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BTW, now Emacs highlights non-breaking space and soft hyphen only for > two charsets. Perhaps support for all other charsets should be added > to xdisp.c? I.e. to test for the following characters: > > iso8859-2: 0x920

Re: Emacs from cvs & non-ascii characters

2005-03-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Lately emacs from cvs started to behave very weird. I used to enter non-ascii > characters just fine but lately when I enter euro character "â" it shows up > "?" in emacs and entering non-ascii characters like "Ã,Ä,Å" results in > nothing : no character shows up. When is "lately"? Under which te

Re: Emacs from cvs & non-ascii characters

2005-03-25 Thread Ismail Donmez
On Friday 25 March 2005 18:10, Ismail Donmez wrote: > Hi all, > > Lately emacs from cvs started to behave very weird. I used to enter > non-ascii characters just fine but lately when I enter euro character "â" > it shows up "?" in emacs and entering non-ascii characters like "Ã,Ä,Å" > results in no

Emacs from cvs & non-ascii characters

2005-03-25 Thread Ismail Donmez
Hi all, Lately emacs from cvs started to behave very weird. I used to enter non-ascii characters just fine but lately when I enter euro character "â" it shows up "?" in emacs and entering non-ascii characters like "Ã,Ä,Å" results in nothing : no character shows up. Anyone experience something

Re: Coding systems and Terminal.app on Mac OS X

2005-03-25 Thread Sébastien Kirche
Le 25 mar 2005, Peter Dyballa s'est exprimé ainsi : > Carbon Emacs has different fontsets. You can drag&drop files on it -- > but when you copy with M-w a region you can't paste it into another > Aqua/Quartz application -- at least I can't! The same is true in the > other direction -- M-w only se

Re: Special Characters on Mac Emacs

2005-03-25 Thread Sébastien Kirche
Le 25 mar 2005, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu a formulà : > > > > > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:50:02 +0100, SÃbastien Kirche > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > - following your example M-: (set-frame-font > > (create-fontset-from-mac-roman-font > > "-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--9-90-75-

Re: Coding systems and Terminal.app on Mac OS X

2005-03-25 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 25.03.2005 um 15:01 schrieb Stefan Monnier: Now, where can we put this info so that users will find it? Emacs' info file has already a Mac OS entry, it seems to be more related to Mac OS 9 and before. If this would be renamed accordingly and a new node 'Mac OS X' would be opened -- it would ta

Re: debug declaration.

2005-03-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Try (debug (sexp def-form def-form def-form form def-form [&optional >> stringp])) > This does indeed work. (The brackets are not necessary, are they?) I find it good practice to always use the brackets, but you're right, it's not necessary. > The node "Specification List" in the lisp manua

Re: announcing thaiword.el?

2005-03-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Additionally, I think it would be a good idea to automatically >> use thai-forward-word and thai-backward-word (which are >> supersets of forward-word and backward-word, respectively) if >> `Thai' is selected as the language environment. >> >> That would require changes in a place that is too c

Re: Coding systems and Terminal.app on Mac OS X

2005-03-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
> in *Emulation* set > Option+Click to position cursor in command line > (non-ASCII -> Esc is not active/checked) Here, the important setting is the non-ASCII -> escape thingy (which in French is described something like "Avoid non-ASCII characters", where it probably meant "escape non-ASCII

Re: files.el typo

2005-03-25 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
From: Karl Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:42:25 -0800 [patch to files.el] thanks. applied. thi ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: Possible change to startup.el

2005-03-25 Thread Kenichi Handa
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For this Thai text string (in UTF-8 encoding) I just get boxes. Doing > `C-u C-x =' I see that the characters are taken from the > `mule-unicode-0100-24ff' charset; the font I use for it > (-Efont-Biwidth-Medium-R-Normal-

Re: debug declaration.

2005-03-25 Thread Lute Kamstra
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> (declare (debug (sexp form form form form form &optional stringp))) > >> X(define-generic-mode my-mode >> (list ?# ?% (+ 50 9)) >> (list "abba" "ebbe" (concat "ob" "bo")) >> nil >> X(list "\\.mm\\'")X >> nil >> "This is My mode.")X > > That

Re: Special Characters on Mac Emacs

2005-03-25 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:48:19 +0900, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> said: > I suppose no characters in mule-unicode-2500-33ff is accessible from > QuickDraw Text API that Carbon Emacs is currently using for drawing > text, at least when using with bundled fonts. Actually, ther

Re: `illegal' vs. `invalid'

2005-03-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Doing a grep search for `illegal' in the CVS tree of emacs I > find many places where it should be `invalid' instead -- the > same holds for `legal' which should often be replaced with > `valid'. > > These should all be fixed. Would you please fix as many of them as > you have t

/etc/calccard.ps

2005-03-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Is the file calccard.ps generated automatically if a new emacs version is released? Werner ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: file-name-shadow-mode

2005-03-25 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But actually, I think my proposal about a C level interface into > substitute-in-file-name would be most efficient, robust and > unproblematic in the long run, and possibly useful for other > applications as well. > > I don't want to d