Re: Fontification of citations in mail-Mode

2005-04-19 Thread Miles Bader
On 4/20/05, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There may not be many choices on a text console. Anyway, I don't > see any reason why cited text should be fontified. I find it helps a lot to focus my eye when writing a mail-message with lots of cited text; it makes it much easier to see

Re: paragraph-start in Shell mode and Ielm.

2005-04-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
>The docstring should be updated: it was necessary for paragraph-start to >also match entries matched by paragraph-separate, but it's not the case >any more. > I do not know when this change occurred, but I do not see any mention > in the NEWS. I think the change happened as a side ef

Re: paragraph-start in Shell mode and Ielm.

2005-04-19 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Stefan Monnier wrote: The docstring should be updated: it was necessary for paragraph-start to also match entries matched by paragraph-separate, but it's not the case any more. I do not know when this change occurred, but I do not see any mention in the NEWS. The docstring, the Emacs ma

Re: inf-lisp.el

2005-04-19 Thread Luc Teirlinck
>From my previous patch: *** *** 110,117 ;;; "This function binds many inferior-lisp commands to C-c bindings, ;;;where they are more accessible. C-c bindings are reserved for the ;;;user, so these bindings are non-standard. If you want them, you should

Re: paragraph-start in Shell mode and Ielm.

2005-04-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I propose to change paragraph-start in Shell mode and Ielm from: > (setq paragraph-start comint-prompt-regexp) > to: > (setq paragraph-start (concat "[ \t\f]*$\\|" comint-prompt-regexp)) I believe it's a bad idea. > This will make no user visible difference, for reasons explained > below. But

Re: Incompatible change without "warning"

2005-04-19 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Frank Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:48:45 +0200 > > I see that on 2005-4-18 the tooltip-use-echo-area was renamed to > tooltip-gud-echo-area. This change breaks existing code > (semantic). Isn't it common practise to first deprecate a variable > before deleting it

Re: Bindings for global minor modes

2005-04-19 Thread Nick Roberts
> {line,column}-number-mode and tool-bar-mode are already on the menu bar > under Show/Hide. OK. How about if I just move tooltip-mode there? Nick ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: paragraph-start in Shell mode and Ielm.

2005-04-19 Thread Luc Teirlinck
>From my previous message: I propose to change paragraph-start in Shell mode and Ielm from: (setq paragraph-start comint-prompt-regexp) to: (setq paragraph-start (concat "[ \t\f]*$\\|" comint-prompt-regexp)) Maybe (concat paragraph-separate "\\|" comint-prompt-regexp) might be bett

Re: Bindings for global minor modes

2005-04-19 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Nick Roberts wrote: A while ago, I put tooltip-mode on mode-line-mode-menu (mode-line mouse-3) because I saw line-number-mode there. In actual fact, these are the only two global minor modes on this binding. column-number-mode is also global and on mode-line-mode-menu. Then line-numb

paragraph-start in Shell mode and Ielm.

2005-04-19 Thread Luc Teirlinck
I propose to change paragraph-start in Shell mode and Ielm from: (setq paragraph-start comint-prompt-regexp) to: (setq paragraph-start (concat "[ \t\f]*$\\|" comint-prompt-regexp)) This will make no user visible difference, for reasons explained below. But the current value is misleading given

Re: caml-mode and show-paren-mode

2005-04-19 Thread Karl Chen
> On 2005-04-19 11:04 PDT, Stefan Monnier writes: Stefan> The patch below should fix the problem. Can you Stefan> confirm? Yes, that fixes it! -- Karl 2005-04-19 18:02 ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.or

Bindings for global minor modes

2005-04-19 Thread Nick Roberts
A while ago, I put tooltip-mode on mode-line-mode-menu (mode-line mouse-3) because I saw line-number-mode there. In actual fact, these are the only two global minor modes on this binding. Perhaps it should be reserved for local minor modes i.e ones that need to be set from each mode-line. Then lin

inf-lisp.el

2005-04-19 Thread Luc Teirlinck
I propose the following changes to inf-lisp.el. They make Inferior Lisp mode customizable through Custom. (Currently it is not.) Inferior Lisp mode apparently never got updated since Custom was added to Emacs. The patch also updates the instructions for adding keybindings to Inferior Lisp mode.

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-19 Thread Andreas Schwab
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Forget it, Bub. TeX-mode and LaTeX-mode are already taken as aliases. > Who was the smart guy responsible for that? The annotations show: > > 1.3 (jimb 13-May-91): ;;;###autoload > 1.17 (eric 23-Apr-93): (defalias 'TeX-mode 'te

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-19 Thread Lute Kamstra
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] >> Won't work. Autoloads corresponding to a different file than the >> loaded one don't get restored. > > That's a bug which we should fix. unload-feature restores the (autoload ...) form that is present in the autoload property of the symbol. A

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
>(add-hook 'auctex-override-unload-hook > (lambda () >(dolist (x TeX-saved-other-tex-autoloads) > (fset (car x) (cdr x) Hmm... that won't work because the unload-hook is run before unload-feature calls fmakunbound on the functions. I guess in t

Re: Adding rassq-delete-all to lisp/subr.el.

2005-04-19 Thread Richard Stallman
lisp/subr.el currently defines assq-delete-all. What about providing rassq-delete-all as well? Why? I don't want to add functions to Emacs merely for completeness' sake. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/ma

Re: Fontification of citations in mail-Mode

2005-04-19 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:13:54 -0400 > > Anyway, I don't see any reason why cited text should be fontified. IMHO, the reason is, if nothing else, that this is how Mail mode behaved on a tty since v21.1, and users did not co

Re: Incompatible change without "warning"

2005-04-19 Thread Kevin Rodgers
Stefan Monnier wrote: How about adding an optional argument to defvaralias so that: (defvaralias 'tooltip-use-echo-area 'tooltip-gud-echo-area) (make-obsolete-variable 'tooltip-use-echo-area 'tooltip-gud-echo-area "22.1") can be written as: (defvaralias 'tooltip-use-echo-area 'tooltip-gud-echo-a

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-19 Thread Lute Kamstra
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > Won't work. Autoloads corresponding to a different file than the > loaded one don't get restored. I have not found the exact place that > causes this, but only the "right" definitions cause the autoload to be > saved in the autoload property of

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Forget it, Bub. TeX-mode and LaTeX-mode are already taken as aliases. > Who was the smart guy responsible for that? The annotations show: > 1.3 (jimb 13-May-91): ;;;###autoload > 1.17 (eric 23-Apr-93): (defalias 'TeX-mode 'tex-mode) > 1.3 (jimb 13-May-91):

Incompatible change without "warning"

2005-04-19 Thread Nick Roberts
> I see that on 2005-4-18 the tooltip-use-echo-area was renamed to > tooltip-gud-echo-area. This change breaks existing code > (semantic). Isn't it common practise to first deprecate a variable > before deleting it? And shouldn't this make it into NEWS? I should also add that tooltip-gud-echo-

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-19 Thread David Kastrup
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Does anybody see any problems with that approach apart from the fact >> that it is crazy as anything? > > Well, for one thing, it's crazy as anything. > > What about the following: > > - make all auctex thingies use the TeX- and LaTeX- prefix (i.e. no

Re: Incompatible change without "warning"

2005-04-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I see that on 2005-4-18 the tooltip-use-echo-area was renamed to >> tooltip-gud-echo-area. This change breaks existing code >> (semantic). Isn't it common practise to first deprecate a variable >> before deleting it? And shouldn't this make it into NEWS? > I've replaced it as an alias. As it wa

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-19 Thread Lute Kamstra
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> unload-feature removes functions it is unloading from hooks. What >> about removing these functions from auto-mode-alist as well? [...] > Actually, _both_ sound like a spectacularly bad idea if the unloade

Incompatible change without "warning"

2005-04-19 Thread Nick Roberts
> I see that on 2005-4-18 the tooltip-use-echo-area was renamed to > tooltip-gud-echo-area. This change breaks existing code > (semantic). Isn't it common practise to first deprecate a variable > before deleting it? And shouldn't this make it into NEWS? I've replaced it as an alias. As it was

Re: caml-mode and show-paren-mode

2005-04-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Does anyone use both caml-mode and show-paren-mode? > Show-paren-mode in caml-mode in Emacs CVS HEAD doesn't highlight > parens, but in Emacs 21.4 does. The patch below should fix the problem. Can you confirm? Stefan --- paren.el08 déc 2004 16:41:48 -0500 1.60 +++ paren.el

Re: Fontification of citations in mail-Mode

2005-04-19 Thread Sascha Wilde
On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 12:13:54PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > In that case, wouldn't it be sufficient to change the default font > used for cited text? > > There may not be many choices on a text console. This is a general problem of font-lock-mode on a text console. As I wrote

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Does anybody see any problems with that approach apart from the fact > that it is crazy as anything? Well, for one thing, it's crazy as anything. What about the following: - make all auctex thingies use the TeX- and LaTeX- prefix (i.e. no conflict at all with the other tex-mode), with autolo

Re: caml-mode and show-paren-mode

2005-04-19 Thread Richard Stallman
So that people who don't know CAML could try to debug this, can you send a precise, self-contained test case? ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: Fontification of citations in mail-Mode

2005-04-19 Thread Richard Stallman
In that case, wouldn't it be sufficient to change the default font used for cited text? There may not be many choices on a text console. Anyway, I don't see any reason why cited text should be fontified. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-deve

RMAIL file locking problem?

2005-04-19 Thread Evil Boris
I use rmail to read mail. I noticed that starting sometime after the summer, rmail would lock the mail file (i.e., ~/RMAIL) even if it did not _seem_ modified (I have no way of knowing if it actually is modified). More precisely, here's the behavior I observe: I type "s" in rmail. It saves the f

Re: Adding rassq-delete-all to lisp/subr.el.

2005-04-19 Thread Lute Kamstra
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> lisp/subr.el currently defines assq-delete-all. What about providing >> rassq-delete-all as well? >> >> Lute. >> >> >> (defun rassq-delete-all (value alist) >> "Delete from ALIST all elements whose cdr is

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-19 Thread David Kastrup
Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > unload-feature removes functions it is unloading from hooks. What > about removing these functions from auto-mode-alist as well? > > Index: lisp/loadhist.el > === > RCS file: /cvsroot/emacs/

focus in ediff with many frames X/twm

2005-04-19 Thread Evil Boris
This seems to work properly in 21.3, but not in current/recent CVS. This is on Solaris running twm as the window manager. If I invoke ediff, say to compare two files, ediff starts a little separate "control frame". -- On Windows, this frame gets focus and the pointer gets warped there. -- On L

Re: Adding rassq-delete-all to lisp/subr.el.

2005-04-19 Thread David Kastrup
Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > lisp/subr.el currently defines assq-delete-all. What about providing > rassq-delete-all as well? > > Lute. > > > (defun rassq-delete-all (value alist) > "Delete from ALIST all elements whose cdr is `eq' to VALUE. > Return the modified alist. > Elements

Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-19 Thread Lute Kamstra
unload-feature removes functions it is unloading from hooks. What about removing these functions from auto-mode-alist as well? Lute. Index: lisp/loadhist.el === RCS file: /cvsroot/emacs/emacs/lisp/loadhist.el,v retrieving revision

Re: Suggestion: pcl-cvs enhancement

2005-04-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
> When I run M-x cvs-update, I often find some files which > are really garbage left over from misc. experiments. > Unknown src/slam > Unknown src/t1 > Unknown src/t2 > Unknown s

Incompatible change without "warning"

2005-04-19 Thread Frank Schmitt
Hello I see that on 2005-4-18 the tooltip-use-echo-area was renamed to tooltip-gud-echo-area. This change breaks existing code (semantic). Isn't it common practise to first deprecate a variable before deleting it? And shouldn't this make it into NEWS? -- Did you ever realize how much text fits i

Suggestion: pcl-cvs enhancement

2005-04-19 Thread Kim F. Storm
When I run M-x cvs-update, I often find some files which are really garbage left over from misc. experiments. Unknown src/slam Unknown src/t1 Unknown src/t2 Unknown src/t3

Re: Adding rassq-delete-all to lisp/subr.el.

2005-04-19 Thread Lute Kamstra
Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (defun rassq-delete-all (value alist) > "Delete from ALIST all elements whose cdr is `eq' to VALUE. > Return the modified alist. > Elements of ALIST that are not conses are ignored." > (let ((tail alist)) > (while tail > (when (and (consp (c

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Adding rassq-delete-all to lisp/subr.el.

2005-04-19 Thread Lute Kamstra
lisp/subr.el currently defines assq-delete-all. What about providing rassq-delete-all as well? Lute. (defun rassq-delete-all (value alist) "Delete from ALIST all elements whose cdr is `eq' to VALUE. Return the modified alist. Elements of ALIST that are not conses are ignored." (let ((tail a

Re: Face alias bugs (Re: abort() in keyboard.c)

2005-04-19 Thread Kim F. Storm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (KÃroly LÅrentey) writes: > I have received a backtrace for an aborted multi-tty session from Ami > Fischman that is relevant to the trunk as well. Thanks for the report and analysis. I have installed a different change for this problem which uses a new safe-get function for th

Re: Fontification of citations in mail-Mode

2005-04-19 Thread Sascha Wilde
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 05:06:36PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > mail/sendmail.el were changed, so that teh text of citations is no > longer fontified (only the leading mark, normally "> " is...). > > Why was that change made? > > Because I found the cited text hard to read with th