Re: [david.reitter@gmail.com: recentf: "Select coding system" on quit]

2005-04-21 Thread Kenichi Handa
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Reitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 22 Apr 2005, at 01:43, Kenichi Handa wrote: >> Ah! Thank you for the fix. Anyway, does it work as >> expected? Shall I commit it? > Yes, it fixes the issue for me. Ok, I've just installed the last version sent

Re: [david.reitter@gmail.com: recentf: "Select coding system" on quit]

2005-04-21 Thread David Reitter
On 22 Apr 2005, at 01:43, Kenichi Handa wrote: Ah! Thank you for the fix. Anyway, does it work as expected? Shall I commit it? Yes, it fixes the issue for me. Thanks for everybody's patches! ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lis

Re: HAVE_PWD_H

2005-04-21 Thread David Hunter
David Robinow wrote: Recent changes to fileio.c, editfns.c, etc. have broken the MS Windows build. Although nt/inc/pwd.h exists, configure.bat does not detect it. HAVE_PWD_H, of course, can be unconditionally defined but I'm not sure exactly where to do it so I'm not including a patch. However, c

Re: [david.reitter@gmail.com: recentf: "Select coding system" on quit]

2005-04-21 Thread Kenichi Handa
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David PONCE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, >> I think the attached patch will fix the problem. Shall I >> install it? > Thanks for your patch. I tried it and when I compiled recentf.el > I got this message: > Compiling /home/ponce/installs/emacs/lisp/recentf

Re: Incompatible change without "warning"

2005-04-21 Thread Lute Kamstra
Nick Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > > Before you install this, please write the changes for etc/NEWS and the > > Lisp manual to install at the same time. > > For completeness, I guess there should be one for functions too. Good idea. > Indeed, there seem to be

Re: safe-get

2005-04-21 Thread Kim F. Storm
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I will revert my changes, and just make get safe... > > Good. Done. > > But then, why don't we make plist-get safe > and get rid of safe-plist-get, too ? > > Yes, we may as well. Done. -- Kim F. Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cu

Re: Incompatible change without "warning"

2005-04-21 Thread Nick Roberts
Richard Stallman writes: > Before you install this, please write the changes for etc/NEWS and the > Lisp manual to install at the same time. For completeness, I guess there should be one for functions too. Indeed, there seem to be more uses of make-obsolete than make-obsolete-variable (possibly

Re: Incompatible change without "warning"

2005-04-21 Thread Nick Roberts
> > Does this DTRT? > > > > (defmacro define-obsolete-variable-alias (symbol aliased > > &optional docstring when) > > "Make SYMBOL a variable alias for symbol ALIASED and warn that > > SYMBOL is obsolete. If provided, WHEN should be a string > > i

Re: Fontification of citations in mail-Mode

2005-04-21 Thread Sascha Wilde
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 11:31:07AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > Perhaps we should have one face for comment delimiters and > another for comment text. Then the comment delimiter > face could be red on these terminals, while the comment text > font could be default on these terminals. I think

Video conference chat tool planned

2005-04-21 Thread Marc Manthey
Hello Experts, Sorry for bothering you with, an Off-Topic theme. Could you then be so kind and forward my lines to people interested in? My inquiry is about a video/streaming chat tool. Long times ago, there was a smart video chat tool, called CuSeeMe. I am tied a little bit on the tool. Nowadays w

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-21 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why do we desperately need a special alias just in exactly that > case where it really is likely to cause problems? > > The idea that it "causes problems" is based on a mistaken idea of > how things ought to work. ALL the usual ways of invoki

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Why do we desperately need a special alias just in exactly that case where it really is likely to cause problems? The idea that it "causes problems" is based on a mistaken idea of how things ought to work. ALL the usual ways of invoking a mode for TeX should be defined by both AUCTeX and

Re: safe-get

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
BTW, XEmacs has overloaded `get' so that when applied to an overlay it does overlay-get, ... I see no possible harm in that, so we may as well be compatible. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [david.reitter@gmail.com: recentf: "Select coding system" on quit]

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
It looks good to me. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: Incompatible change without "warning"

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Before you install this, please write the changes for etc/NEWS and the Lisp manual to install at the same time. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: safe-get

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Not really, except a) it will not catch errors in the symbol plist. That's not a drawback. b) it is slightly slower That's a slight drawback, but probably not significant. I will revert my changes, and just make get safe... Good. But then, why don't we make plist-get safe

Re: details of flymake changes

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Looking thru flymake.el now, the only specific problems I recognized were (1) doc string lines that are too long, and (2) arguments named "...path" that refer to directory names or file names. I am sure the problems were worse than that. Perhaps if you have more time to look thru the file you wil

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Re: Fontification of citations in mail-Mode

2005-04-21 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:31:07 -0400 > > Turning it off for cited text in Mail and Rmail is a much > smaller change with less downside, since the citation markers > are still fontified. I'm sure this will annoy many of thos

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-21 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So they SHOULD be invoked by the same names. > > I explained already why nothing else makes sense. AUCTeX makes > extensive use of mode cookies in local variables, and those are only > obeyed in the lowercase version. The choice of AUCTe

Re: [david.reitter@gmail.com: recentf: "Select coding system" on quit]

2005-04-21 Thread David Kastrup
Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David PONCE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> This is because the ";;; Local Variables:\n" string confused >> `hack-local-variables'! >> >> Here is a new patch that fix that. > > Isn't inserting a ^L at the proper place the canonical solution? Agreed. -

Re: Adding rassq-delete-all to lisp/subr.el.

2005-04-21 Thread Lute Kamstra
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> And I am not too fond of quadratic complexity algorithms. >> >> Me neither, but I was lazy and adapted assq-delete-all. >> >>> If one takes >>> (defun checkit

Re: Emacs-devel Digest, Vol 14, Issue 90

2005-04-21 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On Wed, 1969-12-31 at 23:59 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I tried to read the RSS feed at > > http://xxx.pogogeil.de/podcast.php > > copy used to produce the backtrace at > > http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~dhansen/stuff/podcast.rss > > using gnus and nnrss. > > It is obviously broken XM

Re: [david.reitter@gmail.com: recentf: "Select coding system" on quit]

2005-04-21 Thread Lute Kamstra
David PONCE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I think the attached patch will fix the problem. Shall I >> install it? > > Thanks for your patch. I tried it and when I compiled recentf.el > I got this message: > > Compiling /home/ponce/installs/emacs/lisp/recentf.el... > File local-variables error: (

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-21 Thread Lute Kamstra
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there a reason why Fload can't do like do_autoload and use the > information recorded in Vautoload_queue to set the autoload property > of function symbols? > > Maybe it could work. > > I think it would be better not to try changing thi

Re: Fontification of citations in mail-Mode

2005-04-21 Thread David Hansen
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:31:07 -0400 Richard Stallman wrote: > I'm guessing that you use a standard terminal that supports 8 colors. > If so, look here: > > > (((class color) (min-colors 8) (background light)) > > (:foreground "red")) > > With just 8 colors, I doubt there is

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
The only conceivable way they could be called unwittingly by a user is if a TeX file from somebody else contained a "mode: TeX" or "mode: LaTeX" specification. The reason they would be used if some users types M-x TeX mode. It seemed plausible to me that some users would do that. It co

Re: paragraph-start in Shell mode and Ielm.

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
> If this change has been made, it is worth mentioning in NEWS. > However, if you didn't set out intentionally to make this change, > are you sure it has been made completely? Have you checked all > the uses of paragraph-start to make sure they really work > when paragraph-star

Re: Adding rassq-delete-all to lisp/subr.el.

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
> Strange, (cadr ...) is just a defsubst for (car (cdr ...)). So > compiled it should make no difference. The defsubst binds and unbinds x. I consider that a byte compiler deficiency. In general, the byte compiler cannot omit that binding. It does not know that the binding won't

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Is there a reason why Fload can't do like do_autoload and use the information recorded in Vautoload_queue to set the autoload property of function symbols? Maybe it could work. I think it would be better not to try changing this now. ___ E

Re: Adding rassq-delete-all to lisp/subr.el.

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
I guess this is enough potential uses to justify a harmless small function. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: Fontification of citations in mail-Mode

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Stallman
I'm guessing that you use a standard terminal that supports 8 colors. If so, look here: > (((class color) (min-colors 8) (background light)) > (:foreground "red")) With just 8 colors, I doubt there is a better alternative. What are the standard 8 colors? I dislike red fo

Broken XML, xml.el and nnrss.el

2005-04-21 Thread David Hansen
Hello, I tried to read the RSS feed at http://xxx.pogogeil.de/podcast.php copy used to produce the backtrace at http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~dhansen/stuff/podcast.rss using gnus and nnrss. It is obviously broken XML as the umlauts are encoded using plain HTML enteties (e.g. ü instead of &

Re: [david.reitter@gmail.com: recentf: "Select coding system" on quit]

2005-04-21 Thread David PONCE
Hi, > I think the attached patch will fix the problem. Shall I > install it? Thanks for your patch. I tried it and when I compiled recentf.el I got this message: Compiling /home/ponce/installs/emacs/lisp/recentf.el... File local-variables error: (error "Local variables list is not properly term

font-lock-beginning-of-syntax-function semi-obsolete?

2005-04-21 Thread Lute Kamstra
I'm updating lispref/modex.texi and noticed that the docstring of font-lock-beginning-of-syntax-function says that it is semi-obsolete: *Non-nil means use this function to move back outside all constructs. When called with no args it should move point backward to a place which is not in a st

details of flymake changes

2005-04-21 Thread Marcelo Toledo
What has to be done in flymake anyway? Pavel Kobiakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > the most current version of flymake is that in emacs > cvs repository. > I'm not working on its code style though. > > Thanks, > Pasha. > > --- Marcelo Toledo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> we h

Re: Incompatible change without "warning"

2005-04-21 Thread Lute Kamstra
Nick Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'd prefer to define the same `define-obsolete-variable-alias' macro as > > used in XEmacs. > > > > That sounds useful. > > Does this DTRT? > > (defmacro define-obsolete-variable-alias (symbol aliased >

HAVE_PWD_H

2005-04-21 Thread David Robinow
Recent changes to fileio.c, editfns.c, etc. have broken the MS Windows build. Although nt/inc/pwd.h exists, configure.bat does not detect it. HAVE_PWD_H, of course, can be unconditionally defined but I'm not sure exactly where to do it so I'm not including a patch. However, conditionalizing the

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-21 Thread Andreas Schwab
You wrote in an earlier mail: > Ok, so it was "eric". At that time AUCTeX started to be sort of a > contender, and AUCTeX used TeX-mode and LaTeX-mode, quite likely with > the intent not to conflict. And maybe "eric" switched between > computers and was surprised that TeX-mode worked on one syst

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-21 Thread Johan Vromans
Andreas Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I didn't blame anyone, it's just that both tex-mode and TeX-mode are > natural ways to name the mode for processing TeX input files, independent > of who is implementing it. AFAIK, no mode command uses capita

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-21 Thread David Kastrup
Andreas Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I didn't claim any such thing. I just pointed out that the only >> conceivable effect of the aliases in our times is to cause trouble >> and confusion. If people need a historic excuse for blaming the >>

Re: Removing unloaded functions from auto-mode-alist.

2005-04-21 Thread Andreas Schwab
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I didn't claim any such thing. I just pointed out that the only > conceivable effect of the aliases in our times is to cause trouble and > confusion. If people need a historic excuse for blaming the bad > effects of their current decisions on somebody

Re: safe-get

2005-04-21 Thread Kim F. Storm
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there a reason not to make ordinary `get' safe? Not really, except a) it will not catch errors in the symbol plist. b) it is slightly slower > That would be > simpler for Lisp programmers than