Re: New dumping problem...

2005-06-16 Thread Katsumi Yamaoka
Hi, I'm trying to build Emacs CVS on the Fedora Core 4-release, but haven't been successful yet. Have anyone achieved it? The workarounds described in etc/PROBLEMS weren't effective and the following wasn't either. > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: tooltip-use-echo-area disappeared

2005-06-16 Thread Nick Roberts
> I'm not sure that you've followed the whole thread. > > I can never follow the whole of such a thread. I don't have time! > > The feature of being > able to display help messages and GUD variable values in the echo area >

browse-url,el for firefox?

2005-06-16 Thread Michael Welsh Duggan
March 9, Simon Josefsson posted a patch by Steve Youngs which added firefox support to browse-url.el. Does anyone know the status of this patch? -- Michael Welsh Duggan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists

Re: What holds the release (was: mouse-1-click-follows-link)

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
Oh, I got a bit carried away. It's not been three years of "freeze", and I don't know the exact date the freeze was decided, but I've just read a message by me on Nov, 4, 2002 discussing the exact same issues that we're discussing today So what? I don't think it makes any differen

Re: command for creating local variables in files

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
So for a file-make-local-variable command we need questions like Major mode: (default ) ... Variable: foo... Variable foo set to: ... You are describing a command to set up an entire local variables list. That's not what file-make-local-variable shoul

Re: tooltip-use-echo-area disappeared

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
I'm not sure that you've followed the whole thread. I can never follow the whole of such a thread. I don't have time! The feature of being able to display help messages and GUD variable values in the echo area has *not* been r

Re: enriched-mode problems

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
> It might be useful to find a way to arrange a warning when files use > Mode: or -*-...-*- to specify minor modes. In general, there are examples of minor modes (Ralf and David gave an example) for which it is useful to turn them on (or off) for a certain file because of the _

Re: foreground menu bug

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
I think you and Werner are talking about different things. You talk about Font Lock mode overriding the text properties you set manually. Werner's problem happens even when Font Lock mode is off. The "red" menu entry (that is created automatically when you set the foreground t

Re: Problems building emacs-21.2 on IRIX with gcc-3.4.4

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
>From Eric, the difference in .data.* sections between gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4: (1) for 3.3: .data .data.rel.ro (2) for 3.4: .data .data.rel .data.rel.local Any way to get unexelf.c to merge all the .data* sections? Is it really right to merge them? Shouldn't it preserve the

Re: Needed for the release

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
Ideally unexec should handle the case where heap and bss is not next to each other, and then this workaround can be removed. Yes, that's the task that we need for the release, for the sake of exec-shield. But we also need something done to deal with the randomization feature.

Re: Matches for multiline regexps

2005-06-16 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Richard Stallman wrote: `M-x occur RET 11 C-q C-j 11 RET' finds four matches (lines 1 through 4) which seems logical to me. `M-x how-many RET 11 C-q C-j 11 RET' (with point at bob) finds two matches. One function looks for lines that match, while the other finds match

Re: Matches for multiline regexps

2005-06-16 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Richard Stallman wrote: `M-x occur RET 11 C-q C-j 11 RET' finds four matches (lines 1 through 4) which seems logical to me. `M-x how-many RET 11 C-q C-j 11 RET' (with point at bob) finds two matches. One function looks for lines that match, while the other finds match

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2005-06-16 Thread info
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Re: flush-lines and keep-lines

2005-06-16 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Richard Stallman wrote: To make the behavior of `keep-lines' symmetric at both ends of the region, the last line should be unconditionally kept in its entirety. That seems like an improvement. Would you like to do it? I will take a look at it. There are apparently several othe

Re: Needed for the release

2005-06-16 Thread James Cloos
> "Dan" == Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dan> The problem occurs in Fedora Core 4. On a FC4 system: Dan> echo 0 >/proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space is required Dan> in order to be able to dump Emacs. I've not had any problems dumping emacs with Linus' and Andrew's recent kernel

Re: Threads in emacs implementation

2005-06-16 Thread Miles Bader
On 6/17/05, Ted Zlatanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is not really true for typical elisp programs -- global variables > > (especially buffer-local global variables) are used extremely often, > > and in almost every case must be "truly global" (visible in all > > threads). > > At the time

Re: Doc string for `sort'

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
Looking at the code, PREDICATE just need to return non-nil; so is there a reason why the doc string says the return value should be `t' rather than any non-`nil' value? No reason--you could fix the docs if you want. ___ Emacs-devel mailing

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2005-06-16 Thread mazafaka
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Re: non-default default face

2005-06-16 Thread Paul Pogonyshev
I wrote: > > On X, the simplest and fastest way is with ~/.Xdefaults, like this: > > > > Emacs*Font: -*-courier-medium-r-*--*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 > > > > (That's for a 14 point font. I assume you meant a 10.5 point font, > > which would be 105 in tenths of points.) > > Works great. Actually, it

Re: non-default default face

2005-06-16 Thread Paul Pogonyshev
Kevin Rodgers wrote: > Paul Pogonyshev wrote: > > I currently have default face set to 105 pts high adobe-courier instead > > of the default 90 pts adobe-courier. Each time Emacs starts up, it thinks > > for a noticable amount of time, presumably creating the fonts. Is there a > > way out? C

Re: What holds the release (was: mouse-1-click-follows-link)

2005-06-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
> That discussion was about a different, albeit related, subject: > whether to freeze the trunk and hold a pretest from the branch at the > same time. I know, I've read it, but the background issues were, and are, the same. -- /L/e/k/t/u

Re: Needed for the release

2005-06-16 Thread Michael Welsh Duggan
Masatake YAMATO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> exec_shield could be gotten around with using >> setarch i386 make >> and configure does that already IIRC. But the address space >> randomization was prohibiting the dumping even with the setarch >> command. >> >> It may be poss

Re: What holds the release (was: mouse-1-click-follows-link)

2005-06-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:09:39 +0200 > From: Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Oh, I got a bit carried away. It's not been three years of "freeze", > and I don't know the exact date the freeze was decided, but I've just > read a message by m

Re: non-default default face

2005-06-16 Thread Kevin Rodgers
Paul Pogonyshev wrote: > I currently have default face set to 105 pts high adobe-courier instead > of the default 90 pts adobe-courier. Each time Emacs starts up, it thinks > for a noticable amount of time, presumably creating the fonts. Is there a > way out? Can I preserve the font size and

Re: Problems building emacs-21.2 on IRIX with gcc-3.4.4

2005-06-16 Thread Albert Chin
On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 10:45:46AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > Thanks for the tip. We had one of the GCC developers look at the > problem (Eric Botcazou), and he found out that gcc-3.4.x is creating > some additional R/W ELF sections that the IRIX linker is not combining > (gcc

Re: Needed for the release

2005-06-16 Thread Masatake YAMATO
> Masatake YAMATO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Sorry to be late. > > > > > Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > What I remember is that Red Hat enables a feature in Linux that (I > > > > believe) uses the address space differently. unexelf.c doesn't handle

Re: Needed for the release

2005-06-16 Thread Dan Nicolaescu
Masatake YAMATO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sorry to be late. > > > Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > What I remember is that Red Hat enables a feature in Linux that (I > > > believe) uses the address space differently. unexelf.c doesn't handle > > > it righ

Re: [Macemacsjp-dev 103] Re: [Mac OS X] [Win32] Frame-transparency patch

2005-06-16 Thread Seiji Zenitani
Hi let me modify our contact information on the frame-transparency patch. On 2005/06/15, at 1:57, Seiji Zenitani wrote: 5. authors Ryo Yoshitake, Takashi Hiromatsu, Seiji Zenitani contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sincerely, Seiji Zenitani [EMAIL PROTECTED] __

Re: focus in ediff with many frames X/twm

2005-06-16 Thread Evil Boris
"Jan D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>"Jan D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>I can not be reproduce this on Solaris 9. > I can actually reproduce this on any platform with any window manager > now. There is a tiny interval between giving the two files/buffers > for ediff to compare and when

Re: Threads in emacs implementation

2005-06-16 Thread Ted Zlatanov
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/16/05, Ted Zlatanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm not sure I understand the problem. Do you mean that if a user >> changes variable A in thread 1, he expects thread 2 to also notice the >> change for certain global variables? That's easy to

Re: Matches for multiline regexps

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
`M-x occur RET 11 C-q C-j 11 RET' finds four matches (lines 1 through 4) which seems logical to me. `M-x how-many RET 11 C-q C-j 11 RET' (with point at bob) finds two matches. One function looks for lines that match, while the other finds matches, so it is natural that they may differ

Re: flush-lines and keep-lines

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
To make the behavior of `keep-lines' symmetric at both ends of the region, the last line should be unconditionally kept in its entirety. That seems like an improvement. Would you like to do it? ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org

Re: mouse-1-click-follows-link

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
Maybe an option that automatically applies underline (or more generally a face inactive-link) to all text which has a mouse-face property, but mouse is not over the link... I'd rather just change the face used for the file names and line numbers. It is easy to customize that. __

Re: mouse-1-click-follows-link

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
I hope that predictive decisions about what most users will expect may be amended in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary. This feature is meant to provide a familiar default for beginners. The personal preferences of people on this list are not evidence about it. These people a

Re: What holds the release (was: mouse-1-click-follows-link)

2005-06-16 Thread Richard Stallman
like a sisyphean effort -- more stuff keeps getting into FOR-RELEASE, and the release that's coming "soon" keeps getting pushed back! Very little has been added, compared to what has been removed or marked as done. However, it is true that the list is not entirely complete. There are thin

Re: encoding and content-length for url-http.el

2005-06-16 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 16:05 +0900, Kenichi Handa wrote: > What I still don't know is what value url-request-data > should have? It would be ideal if url.el would add charset information to the Content-Type MIME header. This way url.el can ensure that the information it always correct and it saves

Re: What holds the release

2005-06-16 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do you have any > trouble understanding that "given the different POVs about the > relative importance of FOR-RELEASE items" do *not* imply that "people > think they are all unimportant", only what it says: that different > people have different ide

Re: Needed for the release

2005-06-16 Thread jhd
Masatake YAMATO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sorry to be late. exec_shield is one such feature, and newer kernels use something like, uh, /proc/sys/vm/randomize_... (I don't remember the particular name right now and don't have a Fedora active). The latter loaded executables' memory segments

Doc string for `sort'

2005-06-16 Thread Kim F. Storm
The doc string for `sort' has the following requirement: Returns the sorted list. LIST is modified by side effects. PREDICATE is called with two elements of LIST, and should return t if the first element is "less" than the second. */) The lisp ref, says the same thing: The argument PREDI

Re: (error (format ...

2005-06-16 Thread Lennart Borgman
David Kastrup wrote: It is perhaps more educational to preferable follow (error ... with a constant string. Yes, in all cases where format is implicitly or explicitly used. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mai

Re: (error (format ...

2005-06-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
> I'd probably be tempted to use > > (error (concat "No further undo information" >(and transient-mark-mode mark-active > " for region"))) Yes, in this case I think yours is better. But if the argument is a variable: (lambda (arg) (error (format

Re: (error (format ...

2005-06-16 Thread David Kastrup
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I'd probably be tempted to use >> >> (error (concat "No further undo information" >>(and transient-mark-mode mark-active >> " for region"))) > > Yes, in this case I think yours is better. But if the

Re: (error (format ...

2005-06-16 Thread David Kastrup
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there any reason for uses like this one from simple.el: > > (error (format "No further undo information%s" >(if (and transient-mark-mode mark-active) >" for region" ""))) > > instead of simply: > > (error "

(error (format ...

2005-06-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
Is there any reason for uses like this one from simple.el: (error (format "No further undo information%s" (if (and transient-mark-mode mark-active) " for region" ""))) instead of simply: (error "No further undo information%s" (if (and transient-mark

Re: What holds the release

2005-06-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 6/16/05, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK 100% wrt the manuals. "Lowering the quality" seems loaded > > language to me, given the different POVs about the relative > > importance of FOR-RELEASE items. > Stop right here. That the various FOR-RELEASE items are rated > differently

Re: Fundamental mode.

2005-06-16 Thread Lute Kamstra
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Modes derived from fundamental mode run after-change-major-mode-hook > twice because fundamental mode runs it unconditionally. Fundamental > mode should only run after-change-major-mode-hook if delay-mode-hooks > is nil. We can eithe

Re: foreground menu bug

2005-06-16 Thread Lute Kamstra
Mathias Dahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> [emacs CVS 2005-06-12 with GTK] >> >> If I mark a text region and select the menu entry >> >> Edit->Text Properties->Foreground Color->Other... >> >> I can select a colour (say, red) and everything is fine

Re: enriched-mode problems

2005-06-16 Thread Lute Kamstra
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've got the same problem with auto-fill sometimes. I switch that > mode on with text-mode-hook. When I visit a text file that has "mode: > auto-fill", it is effectively turned off. Maybe we should do > (some-minor-mode 1) for "mode

Re: What holds the release

2005-06-16 Thread David Kastrup
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 6/16/05, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I do not want to do releases more often by lowering the quality or >> having outdated manuals. > > OK 100% wrt the manuals. "Lowering the quality" seems loaded > language to me, given the

Re: command for creating local variables in files

2005-06-16 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> I suggest to add an interactive command > `file-make-local-variable' which does this. As an interface I > can imagine something similar to AUCTeX's C-c C-e command. > > For those of us that do not use AUCTeX, what does that interface > look like? If you type C-c C-e in a just

Re: tooltip-use-echo-area disappeared

2005-06-16 Thread Nick Roberts
> OK. I've just installed changes that try to restore the behaviour of > tooltip-use-echo-area. I guess I should try to give people what they > want rather than what I think they should have. > > It should not be obsolete. This feature should not be removed. > It is a useful f

Re: Problem with image libraries on Windows (reprise)

2005-06-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 6/16/05, David Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As long as your application and all dependent libraries dynamically > link to the CRT (MSVCRT.DLL), then all application and library code > can share FILE pointers. However, if an application or library (module) > statically links to a CRT (LI

Re: debugging.texi

2005-06-16 Thread Lute Kamstra
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Lute Kamstra wrote: > >I think your formulation is a bit misleading. Emacs' debugger can't >step through a primitive, gdb can. > > So what about: [...] > ! type @kbd{C-M-x} on its definition.) You can not use the Lisp debugger > ! to step thr

Re: Needed for the release

2005-06-16 Thread David Kastrup
Masatake YAMATO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sorry to be late. > >> exec_shield is one such feature, and newer kernels use something >> like, uh, /proc/sys/vm/randomize_... (I don't remember the >> particular name right now and don't have a Fedora active). The >> latter loaded executables' memor

Re: What holds the release (was: mouse-1-click-follows-link)

2005-06-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 6/16/05, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have not had "three years of freeze". It has been less than one > year--and we are a lot closer to a release now than we were a year > ago. Oh, I got a bit carried away. It's not been three years of "freeze", and I don't know the exact

Re: What holds the release (was: mouse-1-click-follows-link)

2005-06-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
> Yes. Thes problems eare important. We need to solve them, not ignore > them. On one hand, there's a difference between "ignoring" them and just delaying them. On the other hand, several people have expressed their opinion here that not all items in FOR-RELEASE seem equally relevant or urgent.

Re: encoding and content-length for url-http.el

2005-06-16 Thread Kenichi Handa
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mark A. Hershberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > I'm not using url-dav.el -- I'm using xml-rpc.el which I maintain. > However, to eliminate the reliance on external code, I've pulled the bit > from xml-rpc.el that makes the call to post to a weblog hosted