> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:06:54 +0900
>
> Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I agree. Unsplit Windows at least conveys the notion that it does
> From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:38:12 -0400
>
> FWIW, I see nothing wrong with "Unsplit". At least one other GUI
> program uses "Remove split", which is very similar; if that is better,
> let's
Any objection to the patch below?
It corrects the regexp for Lisp symbols (to be like the one used for elisp),
it corrects the case-sensitivity, and it adds an entry to use the Texinfo
rendition of the ANSI CL standard if available.
Please don't add the reference to the ANSI standa
> Is it that you use menus to invoke the commands? How inconvenient.
Definitely. That's why I want to use the keyboard, but have it look
like I would be using the mouse. Which also shows the keyboard
shortcuts in the menus.
But most Emacs keyboard commands don't have any equiva
> Maybe instead "New File Buffer"? It is actually a new buffer that
is setup so that it will be associated with a file.
I think that'd be the ideal.
I think many people can't associate much with the concept of "visiting".
I explained why I don't like "New File Buffer". Instead
To me, it still seems like the entirely wrong approach to add new
faces everywhere something may look like a link.
The idea that beginners will be less confused if links are underlined
seems inherently plausible. As for adding new faces, that's the
implementation I saw how to write, but I
FWIW, I see nothing wrong with "Unsplit". At least one other GUI
program uses "Remove split", which is very similar; if that is better,
let's use it.
It isn't better a priori, but if it is widely used and lots of people
would have seen it, that would make it better. What other progra
I don't know how we should fix this one, maybe by replacing
barf_or_query_if_file_exists with some
open_and_barf_or_query_if_file_exists ?
I think it may be too difficult to fix all the places
that do this, but would you like to try fixing one or two
as a first step?
> 2. scroll-preserve-screen-position should not affect anything
>but scroll commands.
It would only affect scrolling commands. But it will affect
e.g. `C-n' and `C-p' which will be remapped to functions which
actually do scrolling.
If you have a minor mode that rebinds th
> Garbage collection will happen if this percentage of the total amount of
> memory used for data has been allocated since the last garbage collection.
We talked about a percentage of the installed physical memory, not of
memory used for data.
I did not n
> Perhaps this change should be documented in the `Incompatible
> Lisp Changes in Emacs 22.1' in etc/NEWS. When users have hooks
> that modify the contents of the *Occur* buffer then these hooks
> will fail after the read-only flag was set on the *Occur* buffer.
On one hand, `occur-hook' didn't e
Thanks for writing an item for PROBLEMS. I will install it.
But I would still like to ask,
Can we reprogram configure.in and the makefiles to do this
automatically when it's called for?
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Andreas Schwab wrote:
Depends on the terminal. At least S-tab is sometimes recognizable as
backtab, like on xterm (where S-tab sends "ESC [ Z", detected via terminfo
kcbt).
Hmm... so, in all keymaps that want to bind a backwards tab, you'd have to do
this to make everyone happy:
(define-
David Ponce wrote:
Please notice that on my Compacq Evo N610c laptop running Fedora Core
3 GNU/Linux the and keys seem to not exist. There
is a instead. Perhaps this key could be added to?
Does this mean that C-h k (Shift Tab) reports ? It seems you're running emacs in X, so you should
se
Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I agree. Unsplit Windows at least conveys the notion that it does the
> opposite of Split Window.
But it doesn't do the opposite of split-window...
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Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Should not something else be changed instead? Should not exist
> in all environments?
Presumably you mean "all non-terminal environments"...
-Miles
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Juri Linkov wrote:
I dislike the new italic style for arguments in the help.
So I decided I wanted to customize it. But how do I find it?
(Without reading the code of course ;-)
On an argument name you can type `C-u C-x = TAB RET TAB RET'
or `M-x customize-face RET RET'
Thanks, that
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
I just tried
(url-dl-download "http://purl.org/harder/dpans.html";
"/usr/local/src/"
nil
"Common_Lisp.texi")
and received this error message:
error in process filter: progn:
Opening output file
My post about http://www.emacswiki.org/elisp/facemenu+.el could give the
impression that without it users need to know the face name, in order to
customize the face applied to given text. As Juri pointed out, M-x customize
comes up with the face name by default.
My facemenu code just provides anot
> To say nothing of the fact that it has a semantics different from what
> we thought to implement:
>
>> Garbage collection will happen if this percentage of the total amount of
>> memory used for data has been allocated since the last garbage collection.
>
> We talked about
> I've moved the code that sets `buffer-read-only' and the
> buffer-modified flag to just before running `occur-hook'. This won't
> fix the problem Jason and I are reporting, but at least reduces the
> probability of someone losing data.
>
> Any fix of the problem, or better reorganization of `occu
FYI -
For those interested in what I was trying to suggest wrt using the mouse
pointer position for getting at text properties, see
http://www.emacswiki.org/elisp/facemenu+.el.
With this code, the Text Properties menu uses the cursor position (point)
when it is accessed from the menu-bar and the
There is a similar problem related to switching buffers using
`with-current-buffer' and co. I can't say if it's a bug or not.
For example, `next-error' after finishing has the current
buffer reported by (current-buffer) not the same as the buffer
where the point eventually lands. This problem in
> How about this doc string?
>
> (defun set-variable (var val &optional make-local)
> "Set VARIABLE to VALUE. VALUE is a Lisp object.
> VARIABLE should be a user option variable name, a Lisp variable
> meant to be customized by users. You should enter VALUE in Lisp syntax,
> so if you want VALU
> I dislike the new italic style for arguments in the help.
> So I decided I wanted to customize it. But how do I find it?
> (Without reading the code of course ;-)
On an argument name you can type `C-u C-x = TAB RET TAB RET'
or `M-x customize-face RET RET'
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> > +The work-around explained here is not enough on Fedora Core 4. Read the
> > +next item.
> >
>
> > setarch i386 ./temacs --batch --load loadup [dump|bootstrap]
> >
> > +*** Fedora Core 4 GNU/Linux: Segfault during dumping.
> > +
> > +In addition to exec-shield explained above "Lin
>>> I see there is a bug not caused by my patch:
>>>
>>> emacs -q -nw -rv
>>>
>>> sets the background mode to light on xterm. But since -rv switches
>>> foreground and background, it should switch the background mode too
>>> from light to dark on xterm.
>>
>> I think this is a bug.
>
> There a
For a new name for "New File", recent discussion has included candidates
Visit New File and New File Buffer.
As I said in my original post, which started this, the problem here is
"New". The best name for this Emacs operation is, as in the past, "Open". I
gave reasons previously.
The problem then
Tab move to next link in the help buffer. Shift-Tab does the same.
However it would be more practical and consistent with usual behaviour
if Shift-Tab moved backwards.
Would you like to send a patch?
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So, gc-cons-threshold serves as the lower bound, and
gc-cons-percentage itself is the upper.
I think I see a misunderstanding here about the meaning of upper
limit. This doc string does not suggest there is any upper limit.
We could implement this feature, and add our own upper limit,
pe
Does not "Visit New File" also imply that a new file is made?
It does not have that implication for me. The word "visit" takes
away the implication that it _creates_ the new file.
Maybe some other word is better than "visit", but I can't think of one
now.
Maybe instead "New File Buffer"
Richard M. Stallman wrote:
Maybe instead "New File Buffer"? It is actually a new buffer that is
setup so that it will be associated with a file.
That term could be unclear too, for people who don't know Emacs. It
is grammatically ambiguous.
I would not expect them to believe that eve
You asked if someone would like to work on this and I said I would.
In the meantime I've written a functional equivalent patch. It's a
bit a waste of resources to do double work.
Sorry. I came across the message again, and didn't remember we
had discussed it, so it seemed easiest sim
* Richard M. Stallman (2005-06-24) writes:
> That sounds like you want it to stay like it is. I still think it
> might be good to give people a way to have the vertical position of
> point fixed for any kind of scroll commands, e.g. when scrolling with
> the mouse wheel.
>
> I wou
* Richard M. Stallman (2005-06-24) writes:
> 2. scroll-preserve-screen-position should not affect anything
>but scroll commands.
It would only affect scrolling commands. But it will affect
e.g. `C-n' and `C-p' which will be remapped to functions which
actually do scrolling.
> 3. Do you want
"Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone want to write a cleaner implementation of
> the feature of underlining the link areas in compile.el?
Did anyone else actually express any support for that change?
To me, it still seems like the entirely wrong approach to add new
fac
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> + ;; The Texinfo rendition of the last draft ANSI standard for Common Lisp
> + ;; (dpANS). See http://www.ifa.au.dk/~harder/dpans.html
Better to use the URL http://purl.org/harder/dpans.html which should
last longer.
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Richard M. Stallman wrote on 26 Jun 2005 06:46:13 +0200:
> Would you like to check some of them?
I'll look at it.
> The crucial question is, does a call to set-file-modes introduce a
> worse problem than what existed anyway. For instance, if someone
> could put a hardlink where you will chmod
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:20:51 -0700, you wrote:
>> How about "Only One Window"?
>
>Fine with me.
>
>"One Window" (my original suggestion) says just as much.
>
>My other original suggestion, "Delete Other Windows" is clearest: the
>command just deletes the other windows.
Maximize?
/john
Lennart Borgman wrote:
> Maybe instead "New File Buffer"? It is actually a new buffer that
is setup so that it will be associated with a file.
I think that'd be the ideal.
I think many people can't associate much with the concept of "visiting".
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gaëtan LEURENT) writes:
> David Kastrup wrote on 24 Jun 2005 23:01:50 +0200:
>
>> I fail to see the advantage of using chown, or using fopen and
>> fchown. In both cases the file name can be changed to refer to
>> something else before the operation starts.
>>
>> The only situa
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So, from the console and from `emacs -nw', , , C-i and
> S-C-i are indistinguishable.
Depends on the terminal. At least S-tab is sometimes recognizable as
backtab, like on xterm (where S-tab sends "ESC [ Z", detected via terminfo
kcbt).
Andreas.
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> whenever I find myself doing a demonstration of Emacs capabilities and
> features, I find myself using keyboard commands. That is not helpful
> to onlookers who just see magic happening.
>
> So I have to force myself to use the m
I dislike the new italic style for arguments in the help. So I decided I
wanted to customize it. But how do I find it? (Without reading the code
of course ;-)
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Lennart Borgman wrote:
Luc Teirlinck wrote:
>And it would be useful to have a keybinding that works by default,
>even when not using a window system. does not; by default, it
>usually gets translated into , so it moves forward, not backward.
>
>
Is the problem that Emacs
Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I agree this name is sort of confusing. I do not see any obvious
>> right name, but I came up with Absorb Other Windows, which I think is
>> pretty clear. I have been trying to think of other verbs, but I can't
>> find one that is entirely right. "De
> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:00:29 +0200
> From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> How about "Only One Window"?
Fine with me.
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Any objection to the patch below?
It corrects the regexp for Lisp symbols (to be like the one used for elisp),
it corrects the case-sensitivity, and it adds an entry to use the Texinfo
rendition of the ANSI CL standard if available.
Stefan
--- info-look.el26 jun 2005 13:52:14 -
> How about "Only One Window"?
Fine with me.
"One Window" (my original suggestion) says just as much.
My other original suggestion, "Delete Other Windows" is clearest: the
command just deletes the other windows.
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:46:31 -0400
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
1. Unsplit Windows is a very poor name. It doesn't give you a hint of what
it does; in particular, it doesn't suggest that the current window is the
only o
> From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:46:54 -0400
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> How about this fix?
>
> *** fileio.c 24 Jun 2005 15:43:20 -0400 1.547
> --- fileio.c 25 Jun 2005 16:56:28 -0400
This change will do Bad Things on MSDOS, because it
Luc Teirlinck wrote:
And it would be useful to have a keybinding that works by default,
even when not using a window system. does not; by default, it
usually gets translated into , so it moves forward, not backward.
Is the problem that Emacs can not see on all systems?
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Masatake YAMATO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> +The work-around explained here is not enough on Fedora Core 4. Read the
> +next item.
>
> setarch i386 ./temacs --batch --load loadup [dump|bootstrap]
>
> +*** Fedora Core 4 GNU/Linux: Segfault during dumping.
> +
> +In addition to exec-
Lennart Borgman wrote:
I believe I will write a little package for downloading then, it seems
useful.
I called the package url-dl.el. If anyone is interested you can find it
on http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/DL/inst/.
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> From: Adrian Aichner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:20:52 +0200
> Cc: Adrian Aichner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Oops, this feature not currently enabled in XEmacs!
To say nothing of the fact that it has a semantics different from what
we tho
> From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:46:31 -0400
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> 1. Unsplit Windows is a very poor name. It doesn't give you a hint of what
> it does; in particular, it doesn't suggest that the current window is the
> only one that
Richard M. Stallman wrote on 26 Jun 2005 06:46:54 +0200:
> How about this fix?
It seems fine to me.
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David Ponce wrote:
Please notice that on my Compacq Evo N610c laptop running Fedora Core
3 GNU/Linux the and keys seem to not exist. There
is a instead. Perhaps this key could be added to?
Should not something else be changed instead? Should not exist
in all environments?
David Ponce wrote:
Please notice that on my Compacq Evo N610c laptop running Fedora Core
3 GNU/Linux the and keys seem to not exist. There
is a instead. Perhaps this key could be added to?
And it would be useful to have a keybinding that works by default,
even when not using a window
Hello,
In emacs 22.0.50.1 (2005-05-24), is not bound, but is
bound to 'backward-button'. However, in *Customize Group: Emacs*,
IS bound to 'widget-backward'.
I suppose it would be easier to add to 'button-buffer-map'.
'help-mode-map' used to include (changed 1998-04-22 Dave Love),
pr
Lennart Borgman wrote:
Tab move to next link in the help buffer. Shift-Tab does the same.
However it would be more practical and consistent with usual behaviour
if Shift-Tab moved backwards.
Interesting. In emacs 21.3 for Windows, a *Help* buffer binds both and
to 'help-previous-ref', and
>
> I succeeded in building Emacs under Fedora Core 4 with:
>
> ./configure args... ; setarch i386 -R make bootstrap
>
> 1. Can people determine if this is a full solution?
>
> 2. If it is, can we reprogram configure.in
> and the makefiles to do this automatically when it's called for?
whenever I find myself doing a demonstration of Emacs capabilities and
features, I find myself using keyboard commands. That is not helpful
to onlookers who just see magic happening.
So I have to force myself to use the mouse.
I don't understand how using the mouse makes things c
I could at least partially alleviate the worst parts of the problems
with cus-theme.el I pointed out, as long as I would know what is an
appropriate default directory for theme files. A new customizable
variable custom-theme-directory with default the user's home directory?
Yes, b
Paul Pogonyshev wrote:
Lennart Borgman wrote:
I have been testing a bit downloading things from the Internet with
Emacs with the url package. However I am not able to understand how this
should be done. Does anyone have examples of how to download binary files?
You can have a look at
Tab move to next link in the help buffer. Shift-Tab does the same.
However it would be more practical and consistent with usual behaviour
if Shift-Tab moved backwards.
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Lennart Borgman wrote:
> I have been testing a bit downloading things from the Internet with
> Emacs with the url package. However I am not able to understand how this
> should be done. Does anyone have examples of how to download binary files?
You can have a look at Wikipedia mode (https://gna.or
"Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Or, it could just warn the user that the highlighting will not be
> visible since font lock is enabled?
>
> It would be possible, but why be so complicated?
> This change seems to do the right job.
You asked if someone would like to work
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 6/26/05, Adrian Aichner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> isn't that the purpose of
>> >> gc-cons-percentage
>> >
>> > There is no such variable in Emacs.
>>
>> Oh, so it's a XEmacs-only thing.
>
> OK; guess if we add this feature, we should use the sam
On 25 Jun 2005, at 17:07, David Ponce wrote:
Also I don't like much that hl-line-mode is automatically
turned on in recentf dialog (I don't like the whole line
highlighting).
What's wrong about it? I mean, we have one selectable item per line,
and the highlighted one is the one that has focu
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