Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-29 Thread Miles Bader
2005/6/30, Ilya Zakharevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > In general we don't want to "replacements" like this, but rather do > > proper merge. > > I suspect that in this case "a proper merge" will consist of removing > 95% of changes made w.r.t. the reference (my) implementation. Perhaps so, but som

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-29 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 02:26:59PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > 2005/6/30, Ilya Zakharevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Could you please replace the CVS version of the cperl-mode.el with one on > > my site? Given that all the edits in CVS version break the mode more > > and more, the users will apprec

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-29 Thread Miles Bader
2005/6/30, Ilya Zakharevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Could you please replace the CVS version of the cperl-mode.el with one on > my site? Given that all the edits in CVS version break the mode more > and more, the users will appreciate this a lot. > > The common fix to problems in FSF's cperl-mode

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-29 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 04:00:23AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > To make up for it, the normal answer is to set font-lock-defaults so that _ > does have word syntax during font-locking (but not while editing). > > To get it to work I had to remove an apparently spurious set-syntax-table in > cper

Re: Another menu question - , and

2005-06-29 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:47:03 +0200 > From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: Mathias Dahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I just tested starting the non-graphic version on w32: > >emacs.exe -Q -nw > > This shows C-w etc in the Edit menu, but the graphic version doe

More bugs in Custom themes

2005-06-29 Thread Luc Teirlinck
As I already said in another message, things are still a _lot_ worse than I thought yesterday. The Custom themes feature in its current form is actually completely unusable and it seems impossible to make it usable without a substantial effort in correcting porting errors and finishing off the por

Re: Underlining in compile.el

2005-06-29 Thread Juri Linkov
> > Have you tried this with the latest CVS? This was fixed two weeks ago. > > Sorry, this was my mistake. I hadn't updated my loaddefs.el. After CVS update I always run: make; make -C lisp EMACS=../src/emacs recompile updates; make; make tags; make info

Re: Documentation not clear for the Lisp function set-variable

2005-06-29 Thread Juri Linkov
>> I agree that filtering is not very necessary, and >> think that it would be sufficient to display a warning for obsolete >> variables and obsolete aliases after selecting the variable but before >> setting its value. > > Cool. That's what my latest patch does. Please take a look to see if > it m

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Re: ?\ vs. ?\s

2005-06-29 Thread Richard M. Stallman
> Or did you mean: yes to change "?\ ", no to change other "?\ "? > > Because, after taking a look at it, many or most uses are "?\ ", so > it doesn't really pay to change ones and not the others... IMO, we should change all of them, but is this really the time? For fixing m

Re: Scroll lock

2005-06-29 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Your window.c change is simple enough that we could simply install it. So I did. The scroll-lock.el file is larger and would need legal papers. I don't like the idea of using up C-x % for this, however. If users really want a command to toggle this mode, I would not object, but I tend to think t

Re: occur-hook changing the current buffer

2005-06-29 Thread Richard M. Stallman
> I don't know if a table of contents would help at all. The problem > is not the number of different pages but the number of different > items. ??? I don't understand. Please try again. There are so many different change items in NEWS that people are likely to get tired of read

Re: File menu changes (suggestions)

2005-06-29 Thread Richard M. Stallman
The Emacs design decision is to guide users to specify the file name when creating the buffer. We don't want them to leave it for later. So we will not change the interface to encourage users to leave the file name for later. ___ Emacs-devel mailing l

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-29 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Richard Stallman wrote: Could you fix the doc strings, and the manual, to explain that a list of symbols needs "" at the front in order to be valid as a completion table? Yes, but let me first make sure I understand. Is the reason that we do not want _any_ symbol as car of the list that

Re: Custom themes

2005-06-29 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Richard Stallman wrote: Can you fix that doc string to be accurate? Then you could easily implement a command to undo one theme using the method I suggested above. It seems impossible to figure out what custom-do-theme-reset is really _trying_ to do, and custom-do-theme-reset is used in

Re: File menu changes (suggestions)

2005-06-29 Thread Miles Bader
2005/6/30, Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > This seems to work already if you save a buffer with no associated filename. > > True; but what about if you kill Emacs? IIRC, a buffer that has no > associated file will not cause Emacs to prompt for saving it, right? > That's why I suggested to p

Re: longlines-mode: font-lock fails (in outline-mode)

2005-06-29 Thread David Reitter
Chong Yidong wrote: Only the "New translations... in the" part is highlighted. If this is not a problem, neither should it be a problem when longlines-mode is turned on.\ I can't quite agree: if you have a soft-newline, that means that the headline (to be marked) continues in the next l

tar-next-line does not put cursor at file position

2005-06-29 Thread Lennart Borgman
There is a miscount in the width of things before the file name position. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

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Re: Background mode

2005-06-29 Thread Miles Bader
2005/6/29, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > M-x diff-context->unified > M-x diff-unified->context These are great commands; I've often wished for a diff-minor-mode or something so I could use the various diff-mode commands on a mail message in Gnus or something without copying it.

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Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-29 Thread Richard M. Stallman
My latest revised patches no longer make `custom-do-theme-reset' interactive, so that the problem no longer exists. (But it could easily crop up in other places, using lists of symbols for completion appears to be natural). Could you fix the doc strings, and the manual, to explain

Re: grep.el regexp

2005-06-29 Thread Richard M. Stallman
(file1 (file2 (file3 L. 321 Error blabla foobar))) The first line has thus 3 messages which compile.el should notice. Here's what brought up this issue. > This approach has one problem: different rules in grep-regexp-alist > are not mutually exclusive, so

Re: Documentation not clear for the Lisp function set-variable

2005-06-29 Thread Richard M. Stallman
- allows setting aliases of user options - does *not* filter out obsolete variables - shows a 3-seconds warning when the variable (alias or not) being set is obsolete; the warning includes the CURRENT-NAME information from `make-variable-obsolete' - does not show

Re: Custom themes

2005-06-29 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Unfortunately, after taking a closer look at it, things are way worse than I originally thought. It does not appear that there is _any_ support for undoing the requiring of an individual theme in the current code. You can apparently more or less undo all themes together (altho

Re: File menu changes (suggestions)

2005-06-29 Thread Richard M. Stallman
> Yet another variety would be to create a buffer which does have a > file, call it "Unnamed" or some such (i.e., in the default directory), > and if such a file already exists, modify it by attaching something > like a number. I am not willing to distort Emacs that far just to fit

Re: Another menu question - , and

2005-06-29 Thread Lennart Borgman
Eli Zaretskii wrote: From: Mathias Dahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 29 Jun 2005 21:56:58 +0200 Hmm... Currently I am running Emacs 21.3 on GNU/Linux and I see C-w, M-w and C-y for Cut, Copy and Paste in the Edit menu. Is that a graphics session or a tty session? If the latter, the CVS cod

Re: Another menu question - , and

2005-06-29 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Mathias Dahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 29 Jun 2005 21:56:58 +0200 > > Hmm... Currently I am running Emacs 21.3 on GNU/Linux and I see C-w, > M-w and C-y for Cut, Copy and Paste in the Edit menu. Is that a graphics session or a tty session? If the latter, the CVS code shows C-w etc. as

Re: Another menu question - , and

2005-06-29 Thread Mathias Dahl
Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Because the code that generates the menus works like that. I think it > takes the last key binding for the function and displays that. > Perhaps if we reverse the order of key bindings, we will get a better > result (F20). > > > Is not those C-w (and w

NTEmacs documentation (was: Windows Emacs and screen readers)

2005-06-29 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Emilio Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:30:27 + (UTC) > > Here is the documentation of the relevant user option: > >w32-use-visible-system-caret's value is nil > >Flag to make the system caret visible. Which reminds me: would someone wish to volunteer to

Re: File menu changes (suggestions)

2005-06-29 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:45:16 +0900 > From: Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On 6/29/05, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - make sure C-x C-s prompts for a file name. > > This seems to work already

Re: with-current-buffer

2005-06-29 Thread Kevin Rodgers
Stefan Monnier wrote: Should there be a with-selected-window macro, analogous to with-current-buffer? Ever tried C-h f ? Not in Emacs 22. -- Kevin ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: Background mode

2005-06-29 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I think diff -u is better when the goal is to show just the > differences, but diff -c is better for changes in the middle of > non-trivial code. > Different people have different preferences, but I need diff -c. > diff -u is always hard for me. Note that M-x load-libray RET diff-mo

Re: Windows Emacs and screen readers

2005-06-29 Thread Nikhil Nair
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Emilio Lopes wrote: > Jason Rumney gnu.org> writes: > > > [...] > > You need the later development version. Although the first changes to > > use the system caret were made in 2001, a few months before 21.1 was > > released, it was too close to the release to make it into 21.

Re: How to see where emacs memory goes to

2005-06-29 Thread Stefan Monnier
> My emacs currently consumes 256Mb virtual, and 125Mb resident. > Its also fairly slow. This happens a lot with my usage pattern. > Im trying to get a feel for where the memory consumption and slowness > occur, and Im looking for techniques. Any hints would be apreciated. > I currently look at t

Re: Bad Protocol request 77

2005-06-29 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> My Emacs is crashing in Gnus when displaying some articles. >> I haven't been able to get a reliable recipe yet, but basically I get >> a backtrace as shown in the appended session. >> The first backtrace is with x-synchronize turned off, the second is with >> x-synchronize turned on. >> >> Co

Sticks! (was: File menu changes (suggestions))

2005-06-29 Thread Drew Adams
Sticks and stones will break one's bones, but names... STICKS!, THE GAME 1. Each player starts with one stick of wood. A player's sticks are his "collection". Each stick is identifiable by an identifier. 2. At any time, there is one stick in a player's collection that is his "favorite". A player

Re: Bad Protocol request 77

2005-06-29 Thread jhd
My Emacs is crashing in Gnus when displaying some articles. I haven't been able to get a reliable recipe yet, but basically I get a backtrace as shown in the appended session. The first backtrace is with x-synchronize turned off, the second is with x-synchronize turned on. Could give me some

RE: Do Re Mi (was: Q on Text Properties popup menu-shouldn'titusethepointerposition, not the cursor position?)

2005-06-29 Thread Drew Adams
Also, in some cases it might be good to map two dimensions of the color space at a time, not just one. It could be done, I suppose. But, unless you would limit that to 45 degree diagonals (equal changes in two dimensions), which is not that use

Re: ?\ vs. ?\s

2005-06-29 Thread Kim F. Storm
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 6/29/05, Kim F. Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> IMO, we should change all of them, but is this really the time? > > Release-wise? yes, but if you have the time, go ahead... -- Kim F. Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cua.dk ___

Re: ?\ vs. ?\s

2005-06-29 Thread Juanma Barranquero
> Release-wise? That's not a destabilizing change, I think... And > certainly is not a new feature ;-) Anyway, I've changed space constants belonging to this two groups: ?\ ; this comment is here to protect from end of line ?\ ?\t ; no room between the space constant and the next sexp All i

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-29 Thread Jérôme Marant
Selon Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 'foo_print_desc' gets highlighted in font-lock-function-name-face > > So the bug is indeed absent from Ilya's cperl-mode and it is triggered by > the fact that Emacs's cperl-mode.el does not give _ word syntax. > > To make up for it, the normal answ

Re: Scroll lock

2005-06-29 Thread Ralf Angeli
* Richard M. Stallman (2005-06-27) writes: > If you only wanted it in read-only buffers, we could perhaps turn it > on by default in those buffers. If you want it to be available in any > buffer, we'd have to make it a minor mode, and you'd get it only when > you explicitly ask. I think it would

Re: OS X: using emacs as default mailer?

2005-06-29 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:30:45 + (UTC), John Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > I'd like to use emacs as my default mailer in OS X. When I click on > a mailto: link, I'd like gnuclient to call compose-mail. Handling an apple event is already shown, so here's an alternative way using

How to see where emacs memory goes to

2005-06-29 Thread Joakim Verona
Hello, My emacs currently consumes 256Mb virtual, and 125Mb resident. Its also fairly slow. This happens a lot with my usage pattern. Im trying to get a feel for where the memory consumption and slowness occur, and Im looking for techniques. Any hints would be apreciated. I currently look at the

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Re: ?\ vs. ?\s

2005-06-29 Thread Juanma Barranquero
> On 6/29/05, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That would be an improvement, but not a major one. I know. Even so, "?\ " pisses me a lot. > There are several recent bug reports that need debugging. If you > could debug and fix a few of them, it would contribute more > than impro

Re: ?\ vs. ?\s

2005-06-29 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 6/29/05, Kim F. Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMO, we should change all of them, but is this really the time? Release-wise? That's not a destabilizing change, I think... And certainly is not a new feature ;-) -- /L/e/k/t/u __

Re: Underlining in compile.el

2005-06-29 Thread Nick Roberts
> Have you tried this with the latest CVS? This was fixed two weeks ago. Sorry, this was my mistake. I hadn't updated my loaddefs.el. I still get a slight discrepancy with byte compiling: textmodes/org.el:7542:12:Warning: `make-local-hook' is an obsolete function ^

Re: Documentation not clear for the Lisp function set-variable

2005-06-29 Thread Juanma Barranquero
> C-h f complete-in-turn RET Oops, sorry. As you casually said "the complete-in-turn thingy" I (erroneously) assumed you were describing something, not giving the precise name of the function :-) Anyway, I've implemented the change to `set-variable' without it. You seem to want the two-phase com

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-29 Thread Stefan Monnier
[ Hi Ilya, I've installed another minor patch in Emacs's CVS repository. It's not needed for your version of cperl-mode, but you might still be interested. ] > After trying to reproduce all cperl-mode bugs from the Debian BTS, > it seems that most of them have been fixed in the CVS trunk, but

Re: Documentation not clear for the Lisp function set-variable

2005-06-29 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 6/29/05, Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree that filtering is not very necessary, and > think that it would be sufficient to display a warning for obsolete > variables and obsolete aliases after selecting the variable but before > setting its value. Cool. That's what my latest pa

Re: TTY Vertical divider face?

2005-06-29 Thread Kim F. Storm
Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Currently there is no vertical border when there are no scroll bars > on either side of the window. My fix was intended only for this case > (no scroll bars and no fringes). Then your change is ok. > As I understand, you propose to > display the vertica

Re: Do Re Mi (was: Q on Text Properties popup menu -shouldn'titusethepointerposition, not the cursor position?)

2005-06-29 Thread LENNART BORGMAN
From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To change more than one color component at the same >time, it's better to have an interface that shows a color > space, such as in >the Word dialog box. > > That sounds plausible. I wonder if that could be programmed in Emacs > Lisp.

Re: TTY Vertical divider face?

2005-06-29 Thread Kim F. Storm
Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Maybe you should ignore the vertical-border face if its foreground >> is unspecified? > > When the foreground is unspecified, then it uses the default > foreground, which is ok. Ok. -- Kim F. Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cua.dk _

Re: ?\ vs. ?\s

2005-06-29 Thread Kim F. Storm
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Humm. Yes meaning "OK to change" or yes meaning "Not OK" to change? >> Because in my question, "yes" meant "yes, I'm gonna be very pissed if >> you change it" :) > > Or did you mean: yes to change "?\ ", no to change other "?\ "? > > Because, afte

Re: Windows Emacs and screen readers

2005-06-29 Thread Emilio Lopes
Jason Rumney gnu.org> writes: > > Nikhil Nair pobox.com> writes: > > > However, I suspect I was reinventing the wheel, as I found some posts on > > this list from 3 years ago which talked about the use of the system caret, > > and JAWS working well with the GUI version; Ben Key of Freedom Scie

Documentation string for the 'complete-symbol' function

2005-06-29 Thread Yoni Rabkin
Hello, I'm using: GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2005-05-30 In the documentation string for the function 'complete-symbol' the argument list contains the argument "arg" but "arg" is not mentioned explicitly in the documentation string text. The document