Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-30 Thread Miles Bader
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > cvs diff -r Ilya_5_0 lisp/progmodes/cperl-mode.el > > Note that a rapid glance indicates that the "cperl-foo-face => cperl-foo" > conversion was probably not done quite right. Any pointers? I did actually test the result a bit... :-) -Miles -- Everyw

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Miles Bader
2005/7/1, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Let's recall how this came up: as a side effect of the change to allow > symbols as the car of cons cells in an alist. We could allow symbols > when they come from the car of an element, and not allow them when > they don't come from there. I t

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> *Something* must be done in this situation. > Sure, it sounds like a proper merge is in order. > That is, apply all Emacs changes since the last merge point to your > current version, and resolve any conflicts. You or some other cperl > knowledgable person can look over the changes to see if

Key Binding Commands

2005-06-30 Thread Michael Welsh Duggan
In the "Key Binding Commands" node of the elisp manual, it uses DEFINITION to refer to the key binding. In "Changing Key Bindings", BINDING is used, with a pointer to "Key Lookup" for a list of meaningful binding types. It would be nice to have these named consistantly, and the reference to the m

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Trying to maintain two separate versions was a bold experiment; I supported it for a long time. However, it looks like this experiment failed miserably - most of FSF edits are backwards in usability. Each of them was made to fix a problem. So they were improvements. If you fixed the

Re: url-retrieve bad handling of redirections

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Adding a new parameter to the callback routine so that it still can have the original outfile as a parameter. That way you could continue from the redirect and change the redirected url instead of the original. What do you think of this change? Unfortunately it is not pr

Re: Background mode

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
If you google for old versions of diff-mode.el, you'll see that it also had a minor mode. Why suggest using a search engine to find old versions of a file in Emacs? They are all on savannah. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http

Re: Finding faces to customize

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
I fixed these bugs in crm.el. Thanks. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: Description of custom-add-option in Info

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
The description of custom-add-option on Info page 14.3 is not consistent with the defun doc string. Is this right? *** custom.el 13 Apr 2005 13:41:46 -0400 1.83 --- custom.el 30 Jun 2005 21:18:28 -0400 *** *** 486,493 (defun custom-add-option (symbol opt

"Update info.texi"

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Someone spoke of working on the task of updating info.texi. Has that job been done? ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: grep.el regexp

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
> I am not sure whether that relates to the suggestion I made: >> I think that if we wrote a separate regexp for each kind of grep, >> all together they would match a lot fewer different strings than the >> current regexp does, and they would be much easier to understand. Inde

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
I don't like the idea of adding "" at the beginning of a completion table. Here I have a good reason, which is that it changes the behavior: (try-completion "" '("aaa" "aab" "aac")) => "aa" (try-completion "" '("" "aaa" "aab" "aac")) => "" Oops. I suggested adding "" beca

Re: New dumping problem...

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
I find the way to fix the problem in C source code level. I have already installed the fix. Please, try to run make without setarch. Thank you. Can you eliminate this exec_shield problem too? *** Linux: Segfault during `make bootstrap' under certain recent versions of the Linux kern

Re: File menu changes (suggestions)

2005-06-30 Thread public
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > E.g. find-file might require confirmation before opening > a non-existent file. I'll love such a new feature, seeing how often I do > "C-x C-f emacs/src/rege TAB RET" only to find myself in "regexp." rather > than in the "regexp.c" that I intended to o

Re: More bugs in Custom themes

2005-06-30 Thread Luc Teirlinck
First new bug. After requiring a theme and then setting and saving some option through Custom, all my customizations for all options for which the theme specified a value were deleted. Can you fix that? Second new bug: `custom-create-theme' can not handle variables

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-30 Thread Miles Bader
Ilya Zakharevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > *Something* must be done in this situation. Sure, it sounds like a proper merge is in order. That is, apply all Emacs changes since the last merge point to your current version, and resolve any conflicts. You or some other cperl knowledgable person

Re: New dumping problem...

2005-06-30 Thread Katsumi Yamaoka
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Masatake YAMATO wrote: > I find the way to fix the problem in C source code level. > I have already installed the fix. > Please, try to run make without setarch. Great! I succeeded in building the latest Emacs with FC4 and Solaris machines by using the same procedure

Re: COPYING files have old address for FSF

2005-06-30 Thread Lute Kamstra
Jim Blandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The COPYING files in the Emacs distribution all have the old address > for the Free Software Foundation --- 59 Temple Place. All files in the Emacs distribution have the old address. I think we should update before the release. Shall I add that task to F

Re: Custom themes

2005-06-30 Thread Luc Teirlinck
David Kastrup wrote: I guess that a theme, when required, will get reloaded even if it has been loaded previously. With the current code, they do _not_ get reloaded when already loaded. If I would re-implement it, they would be reloaded. Sincerely, Luc. _

Re: Regexps and hard newlines

2005-06-30 Thread Kevin Rodgers
Richard M. Stallman wrote: What do people think of the idea of making . match soft newlines? That would fix problems where various features get confused by longlines.el. Brilliant! -- Kevin Rodgers ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org

Re: File menu changes (suggestions)

2005-06-30 Thread Miles Bader
2005/7/1, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >Another option is to prompt for a file name and require confirmation if > the > >file already exists. It's a slightly different behavior than those other > >"CUA-style" systems, but unsuspecting users should hopefully not find >

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Yes, but let me first make sure I understand. Is the reason that we do not want _any_ symbol as car of the list that forbidding _any_ symbol as car of the list actually seems _more natural_ than just forbidding lambda? Right. It is not clean to make an exception for "lambda". It

Re: Diff mode faces

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Something has to be done about colors of diff context, because currently it is white on black for dark backgrounds, and yellow on white for light backgrounds. I don't see any face in diff-mode.el that produces yellow-on-white. So I don't understand what specific behavior you're talking

Re: Diff mode faces

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
On TTY it classifies colors as follows: Dark: black red green blue Light: magenta yellow cyan white But on xterm it is quite different: Dark: black red green blue magenta yellow cyan Light: white That anomaly could be worth fixing. According to this classification

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
I suspect that in this case "a proper merge" will consist of removing 95% of changes made w.r.t. the reference (my) implementation. If that's the right thing to do, then let's do it. However, we have to find the other 5% (or whatever fraction it is) and keep them--we can't throw them away

Re: File menu changes (suggestions)

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
>Another option is to prompt for a file name and require confirmation if the >file already exists. It's a slightly different behavior than those other >"CUA-style" systems, but unsuspecting users should hopefully not find >it confusing, which is all we really care about. I think t

Regexps and hard newlines

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
What do people think of the idea of making . match soft newlines? That would fix problems where various features get confused by longlines.el. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: More bugs in Custom themes

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
First new bug. After requiring a theme and then setting and saving some option through Custom, all my customizations for all options for which the theme specified a value were deleted. Can you fix that? Second new bug: `custom-create-theme' can not handle variables with a def

Re: Editing exportet registry files

2005-06-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
> when I export part of the registry on MS Windows to a .reg file, it is > a Unicode file (little-endian) encoded with BOM (FF FE) as the first bytes. You mean, it's utf-16-le > Is it possible to edit such a file with Emacs? Yes, Stefan ___

COPYING files have old address for FSF

2005-06-30 Thread Jim Blandy
The COPYING files in the Emacs distribution all have the old address for the Free Software Foundation --- 59 Temple Place. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Editing exportet registry files

2005-06-30 Thread Markus Gritsch
Hi, when I export part of the registry on MS Windows to a .reg file, it is a Unicode file (little-endian) encoded with BOM (FF FE) as the first bytes. Is it possible to edit such a file with Emacs? Kind regards, Markus ___ Emacs-devel mailing li

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
>I don't like the idea of adding "" at the beginning of a completion table. >Here I have a good reason, which is that it changes the behavior: > (try-completion "" '("aaa" "aab" "aac")) => "aa" > (try-completion "" '("" "aaa" "aab" "aac")) => "" ELISP> (try-completion "" '([

Emacs freezes and takes 100% CPU

2005-06-30 Thread Markus Gritsch
Hi, I think I have found a serious bug. The minimum .emacs file to reproduce the bug looks like: --- 8< --- (setq-default truncate-lines t) (custom-set-variables '(hscroll-margin 20) '(hscroll-step 1) ) --- 8< --- Setting all three variables is necessary. After starting Emacs, I chang

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I am not arguing for allowing lists of symbols rather than lists of > strings, but mixed lists of strings and symbols _are_ currently allowed > and try-completion and all-completions now nearly everywhere treat symbols > as being completely equivalent to (symbol-name 'symbol) since the > followin

Re: Fixing report-emacs-bug

2005-06-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
> As described a while ago, report-emacs-bug doesn't work on Mac OS X (unless > the user chooses to activate postfix). It swallows bug reports without > indicating an error. Have you reported it as a bug to Apple? As for report-internally/externally, could you post a patch against emacsbug.el?

Re: Documentation not clear for the Lisp function set-variable

2005-06-30 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 6/30/05, Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you discussing making > set-variable calling any :set function? Juri proposed that, yes. > We decided quite a while ago to do that. Glad to hear (because I won't have to implement it...) > We decided to put it off till after the releas

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I'd be very happy to merge the two versions, and indeed when I merged the >> 4.32 and then 5.0 version of your code I tried to reduce the differences >> between the two, but we won't be able to get to a full merge until your >> version integrates some of our changes. > I'm afraid you have it ba

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-30 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 04:17:59PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > 2005/6/30, Ilya Zakharevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > I suspect that in this case "a proper merge" will consist of removing > > > > 95% of changes made w.r.t. the reference (my) implementation. > > > > > > Perhaps so, but somebody ha

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Stefan Monnier wrote: Honestly, what's so great about being able to use lists of symbols rather than lists of strings? In Emacs-21, we don't even allow lists of strings, but only lists of pairs whose car is a string, and people haven't complained about it. I am not arguing for allowi

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Stefan Monnier wrote: I don't like the idea of adding "" at the beginning of a completion table. Here I have a good reason, which is that it changes the behavior: (try-completion "" '("aaa" "aab" "aac")) => "aa" (try-completion "" '("" "aaa" "aab" "aac")) => "" ELISP> (try-co

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-30 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 02:01:29PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I'd be very happy to merge the two versions, and indeed when I merged the > 4.32 and then 5.0 version of your code I tried to reduce the differences > between the two, but we won't be able to get to a full merge until your > version

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> To make up for it, the normal answer is to set font-lock-defaults so that _ >> does have word syntax during font-locking (but not while editing). >> >> To get it to work I had to remove an apparently spurious set-syntax-table in >> cperl-find-pods-heres. > Could you please replace the CVS vers

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Yes, but let me first make sure I understand. Is the reason that we >> do not want _any_ symbol as car of the list that forbidding _any_ >> symbol as car of the list actually seems _more natural_ than just >> forbidding lambda? It seems that any symbol other than lambda can not >> be mistaken

Re: Background mode

2005-06-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
> "Miles" == Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2005/6/29, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> M-x diff-context->unified >> M-x diff-unified->context > These are great commands; I've often wished for a diff-minor-mode or > something so I could use the various diff-mode commands on a

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Miles Bader wrote: Always requiring an initial "" forces the problem to be dealt with, so will make such code more robust. Actually, in my own use of it, I would probably have needed the: (cons "" custom-loaded-themes) anyway, because a theme could be named `lambda'. So I guess that I wi

Re: grep.el regexp

2005-06-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
> The example you showed is not an example of THAT. You're talking > about three disjoint matches in the same line. > So while this could be an example where it is valid to have > multiple matches on the same line, it's only valid because they > match disjoint parts of the same line. > I am not

Re: Documentation not clear for the Lisp function set-variable

2005-06-30 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Juanma Barranquero wrote: On 6/30/05, Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so why wouldn't it also run a setter specified > by the `:set' custom keyword? It probably should. I'll take a look at it. I'm not custom expert, though; I hardly use the stuff. I have not been followi

Re: New dumping problem...

2005-06-30 Thread Masatake YAMATO
> Thanks for writing an item for PROBLEMS. I will install it. > > But I would still like to ask, > Can we reprogram configure.in and the makefiles to do this > automatically when it's called for? I find the way to fix the problem in C source code level. I have already installed the fix. Please,

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Re: Custom themes

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
It seems impossible to figure out what custom-do-theme-reset is really _trying_ to do You said it resets all themes. That sounds like a good definition. Please take that as the purpose of the function. What the function apparently wants to do is "exactly the same thing as what th

Re: Custom themes

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
It seems impossible to figure out what custom-do-theme-reset is really _trying_ to do You said it resets all themes. That sounds like a good definition. Please take that as the purpose of the function. What the function apparently wants to do is "exactly the same thing as what th

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Shell Mode "dirs" command breaks if shell echoes command input]

2005-06-30 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Could someone please see if this fix is still needed now? Please ack to me after checking. --- Start of forwarded message --- Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:21:28 -0500 (CDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Shell Mode "dirs" command breaks if shell echoes command inpu

Re: report-emacs-bug / e-mail setup

2005-06-30 Thread Richard Stallman
I don't think this was followed up on. So what we do in Aquamacs is to leave it to the system setup what mail application the user wants to use. The complete text (as before) is composed automatically, and then the user's preferred mail handling application takes care of edit

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Kim F. Storm
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Always requiring an initial "" forces the problem to be dealt with, so > will make such code more robust. True. -- Kim F. Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cua.dk ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel

Re: Custom themes

2005-06-30 Thread Per Abrahamsen
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I do not use XEmacs and I do not know whether the XEmacs version is > actually in active use and works according to some consistent > philosophy. I do not know how important compatibility with XEmacs in > the Emacs Custom Themes implementation. If you

Fixing report-emacs-bug

2005-06-30 Thread David Reitter
As described a while ago, report-emacs-bug doesn't work on Mac OS X (unless the user chooses to activate postfix). It swallows bug reports without indicating an error. In general report-emacs-bug usually depends on working mail system being set up, and despite an e-mail being sent off, the

Re: Scroll lock

2005-06-30 Thread Miles Bader
Ralf Angeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hm, I imagine that personally I'd want it to toggle interactively in > arbitrary modes as well. For this, a key binding would be nice to > have. But it probably would not be a problem to tell users that they > can define a key for it themselves. I'll thi

Announcing Easymacs: an all-in-one Emacs configuration for newbies

2005-06-30 Thread public
Easymacs is an easy-to-learn, one-size-fits-all configuration for new users of GNU Emacs. It sets up key bindings that conform to a common denominator of the Gnome/KDE/OS X/Microsoft Windows human interface guidelines, and provides function-key bindings for other powerful Emacs features. It is full

Re: Scroll lock

2005-06-30 Thread Ralf Angeli
* Richard M. Stallman (2005-06-30) writes: > Your window.c change is simple enough that we could simply install it. > So I did. Thanks. The change should be reflected in the documentation as well. I attached patches for man/display.texi and lispref/windows.texi. (Improvements of wording welcome.

Re: File menu changes (suggestions)

2005-06-30 Thread LENNART BORGMAN
From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I think the main point is that the mode is set from auto-mode-alist, > and that things like auto-insert work. Specifying the file name saves > specifying mode and stuff. And understanding how the mode is choosen is one of the difficult things for beginn

Re: Documentation not clear for the Lisp function set-variable

2005-06-30 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 6/30/05, Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so why wouldn't it also run a setter specified > by the `:set' custom keyword? It probably should. I'll take a look at it. I'm not custom expert, though; I hardly use the stuff. -- /L/e/k/t/u

Re: File menu changes (suggestions)

2005-06-30 Thread Miles Bader
2005/6/29, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > How does autosave work with an unnamed buffer? It tries to concoct an auto-save filename from the buffer name (remember, buffers always have names, but not always filenames) and a few likely directories. -Miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. ___

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Kim F. Storm
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ELISP> (try-completion "b" '(aa bb)) > *** Eval error *** Invalid function: (aa bb) > > Note that `try-completion' does not believe that aa is a function > called with argument bb. It believes that (aa bb) is an anonymous > lambda expression. It could

Re: Bugs in newly added completion capabilities.

2005-06-30 Thread Miles Bader
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, but let me first make sure I understand. Is the reason that we > do not want _any_ symbol as car of the list that forbidding _any_ > symbol as car of the list actually seems _more natural_ than just > forbidding lambda? It seems that any symbol oth

Re: Race-condition ?

2005-06-30 Thread David Kastrup
Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Gaƫtan LEURENT wrote: > >>Now, as for as I can tell, there is no way to move a file asking the >>user what to do if needed and avoid every race-conditions in a Unix-like >>OS. I will try to come with a solution that avoids the worse problems. >> >> >

Re: Custom themes

2005-06-30 Thread David Kastrup
"Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If I had to implement themes from scratch, my philosophy would be that > if two loaded themes conflict, then the most recently added one takes > precedence. > > That sounds like a good approach. I see a few approaches that > could ma

Re: File menu changes (suggestions)

2005-06-30 Thread David Kastrup
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 6/29/05, Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yet another variety would be to create a buffer which does have a >> file, call it "Unnamed" or some such (i.e., in the default >> directory), and if such a file already exists, modify it by >> attach

Re: Custom themes

2005-06-30 Thread David Kastrup
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The situation with Custom themes is a lot worse that I thought > yesterday. I discovered two new bugs, one so serious that it makes > the Custom themes feature unusable. It is nearly guaranteed that > even if those two bugs could be solved plenty of ot

Re: File menu changes (suggestions)

2005-06-30 Thread David Kastrup
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Yet another variety would be to create a buffer which does have a >>> file, call it "Unnamed" or some such (i.e., in the default directory), >>> and if such a file already exists, modify it by attaching something >>> like a number. > >> I think the de

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-30 Thread Miles Bader
2005/6/30, Ilya Zakharevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I suspect that in this case "a proper merge" will consist of removing > > > 95% of changes made w.r.t. the reference (my) implementation. > > > > Perhaps so, but somebody has to make that judgement... > > Sure. Do you know somebody more quial

Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)]

2005-06-30 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 03:16:24PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > 2005/6/30, Ilya Zakharevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > In general we don't want to "replacements" like this, but rather do > > > proper merge. > > > > I suspect that in this case "a proper merge" will consist of removing > > 95% of cha