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Looking at it again I understand. Yes, it seems correct except for that
"file" should be "directory".
Thanks. I fixed that.
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Must we always go the windows gui route? Being able to use the left
mouse to push buttons is a good change, but I prefer to retain the unixy
less-like behaviour for scrolling around in read only buffers.
I agree with you. There is no reason to make SPC "push buttons" in Emacs.
People
Is there anything left to do in order to turn on global-font-lock-mode
by default? As far as I know it should be possible to do now.
I have occasionally had crashes in Emacs that have been running for a
while. I think there is still a bug in the handling of memory-full
conditions.
This E
[I sent this message two weeks ago but did not get a response.]
Could someone please see if this fix is still needed now?
Please ack to me after checking.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:21:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subje
If you mean that `if's are:
(if x
(a)
(b)
(c))
instead of:
(if x
(a)
(b)
(c))
I would consider this a clear advantage.
I am not sure which of the two you are preferring. However, I can
state that the first pattern above is the wa
> Should we add a pointer to http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/tasklist?
> Any ideas where to add that pointer?
>
> I think it should go at the intro to the Emacs manual, and at the end
> of etc/GNU. If you think of other good places, put notes there too.
Maybe some
That's because the Emacs Lisp version of defmacro doesn't accept the
&body lambda list keyword. Maybe it should?
We could do that if it is important. But that should be after the
coming release. Let's not think about it now.
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Much as I like the idea of prepackaged distributions for normal,
non-developer users, the problem I see with many "big" Emacs projects
(like TinyTools, CEDET, JDEE, etc) is that they are much of an
all-or-nothing. You install one of them, you are no longer in Emacs,
but someone'
Oh, sorry, I thought it was easy to see.
This illustrates the general principle: no matter how visible and
obvious you think the misbehavior is, you should always say explicitly
what it is, in your bug report.
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> BTW, that same node contains this info:
> If Emacs recognizes the encoding of a file incorrectly, you can
> reread the file using the correct coding system by typing `C-x c
> CODING-SYSTEM M-x revert-buffer
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So, is there any way to convince Emacs that I want to put
> utf-16le-with-signature high in the list of coding systems to try when
> reading a file (with find-file), and not when communicating with
> processes, etc.?
Edward O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> Thanks! Should not this be the default on w32?
>>
>> I suppose it would make sense, yes.
>
> Here's one vote for leaving the default as it is. I love how Emacs
> is a consistent environment across the various operating systems it
> runs on, and would
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On 7/7/05, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> emacs -Q
> M-x ielm
> ...
>
> It does not fail for me. I tried it on a tty and under X.
It does not fail for me either, now that Kim has fixed it...
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On 7/7/05, Benjamin Riefenstahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>(prefer-coding-system 'utf-16le-with-signature)
>(prefer-coding-system 'latin-9)
>
> I.e. first put UTF-16 on the "priority list for automatic detection"
> and than override it again with Latin-9 for the defaults.
Many UTF-16 fi
Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I just tested Firefox. SPC scrolls forward and S-SPC backward - unless you are
> on a button (like a normal button, checkbox or radiobutton). In that case SPC
> "clicks" the button.
Details, details :-), but you're right -- thats what it does.
I gues
Peter Whaite wrote:
Why not just keep it simple. SPC scrolls. ENTER activates.
Because I have several times pressed SPC instead of ENTER. I guess I
will not be the only one - or I hope I will not be the only one. It is
quite confusing and unexpected that the buffer scrolls in this situati
If you in that very good new *Backtrace* buffer pushes CR when the point
is on an underlined part you will be taken to that code. Very good.
If you however push CR when you over for example (let ...) then the help
for let is shown in the *Backtrace* buffer. Not so good since it erases
the cont
> IOW, aside from putting directories first and not being
case-sensitive, the
> Windows listing also throws out the uid and gid, which don't
mean a lot for
> Windows.
They might not mean a lot now, but that's only because no one bothered
to write the code to use the Win
> > (put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function
> >'(nil nil &body
> This breaks the standard indentation of IF in lisp-mode buffers.
By standard, I mean the accepted way of indenting IF in common
lisp.
Do we care about breaking the c
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
I never use ls outside some sh like shell.
Why not?
I can see faster on the output from cmd:s dir what is a directory for
example.
I think that the necessary integration
with different platforms must not be hampered by the consistent
cross-platform behaviour.
> From: "Drew Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:35:53 -0700
> Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
>
> IOW, aside from putting directories first and not being case-sensitive, the
> Windows listing also throws out the uid and gid, which don't mean a lot for
> Windows.
They might not m
This change to `recenter' has problems.
2005-07-06 Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* window.c (Frecenter): When arg is inside the scroll margin,
move it out of the margin.
emacs -Q
M-x ielm
...
It does not fail for me. I tried it on a tty
Aside from the following points, would you please install fixes for
the problems you found?
2. In the section `Getting Help' keys `C-x 1' and `C-M-v' in
\key{remove help window}{C-x 1}
\key{scroll help window}{C-M-v}
don't work after typing C-h or F1 that were suggested to type
> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:44:02 +0200
> From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> >??? What does the shell have to do with using `ls'? You can invoke
> >`ls' from _any_ shell running on Windows, including from cmd.exe.
Let's not try to be too clever. After all, there's also the other
cases like:
(quote (function and function)) vs (quote (function of something))
That case is not important, for reasons I explained before.
and
'(... (function and function) ...) vs '(... (function o
Do `emacs -q -nbc' then:
C-h n
M-x end-of-buffer
Note how the entire file is completely overscrolled out of view.
Does this give good results?
*** window.c06 Jul 2005 14:54:17 -0400 1.509
--- window.c07 Jul 2005 16:02:47 -0400
***
*** 5372,5377 ***
If you just leave this function unchanged and install the rest,
it should work. However, it would be good to make one additional
change: the same commands should display a message of the form
`%s' is an alias for `%s'
in the echo area.
What about the foll
Richard Stallman wrote:
Do `emacs -q -nbc' then:
C-h n
M-x end-of-buffer
Note how the entire file is completely overscrolled out of view.
Does this give good results?
I believe that Kim already fixed this some other way, because recenter
appears to work fi
Hi Gaëtan,
> Benjamin Riefenstahl wrote on 07 Jul 2005 20:56:42 +0200:
>>(prefer-coding-system 'utf-16le-with-signature)
>>(prefer-coding-system 'latin-9)
Gaëtan LEURENT writes:
> That would try latin-9 first, and if the file is valid as latin-9
> (which is quite likely), it will fail. [.
Drew Adams wrote:
> > (put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function
> >'(nil nil &body
> This breaks the standard indentation of IF in lisp-mode buffers.
By standard, I mean the accepted way of indenting IF in common
lisp.
> I don't see that (with emacs
Peter Whaite wrote:
A common use of SPC (web browsers, w32 programs) is to "push the button"
when keyboard focus is on the button. I think that would be better - at
least when focus is on a button.
Thats in dialogs (not browser windows e.g.), and there I always use ENTER for
pushing bu
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
??? What does the shell have to do with using `ls'? You can invoke
`ls' from _any_ shell running on Windows, including from cmd.exe.
I never use ls outside some sh like shell.
I think you are misreading the principle of consistent cross-platform
behavior as ``resistan
> I've been doing the same thing Juanma does (code above). But
I wonder if
> there isn't a bug in `ls-lisp.el'. Notice the commented-out line in
> `ls-lisp-emulation' (below). Commenting it out does not make
sense in light
> of the code of `ls-ignore-case', `ls-lisp-dirs-fir
> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:53:01 +0200
> From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> >And what, may I ask, do you use outside Emacs? Isn't it "ls -l"? ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> Uhm..., I have done that a couple of times...
>
>
> Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > SPC in custom buffers currently always scrolls the buffer. I do not
> > think this is the expected behaviour by most users.
And BSPC scrolls it backwards just like 'less', which is what I expect,
and what I like.
> > A common use of SPC (web b
> From: "Drew Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:43:59 -0700
> Cc: Emacs-Pretest-Bug
>
> I've been doing the same thing Juanma does (code above). But I wonder if
> there isn't a bug in `ls-lisp.el'. Notice the commented-out line in
> `ls-lisp-emulation' (below). Commenting it o
> From: LENNART BORGMAN
> Do you not find it disturbing then that the ordering of files
> are different in Emacs than outside Emacs on w32?
And what, may I ask, do you use outside Emacs?
I can't speak for Lennart, but I would say that Windows users are used to
seeing, in dialog bo
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
And what, may I ask, do you use outside Emacs? Isn't it "ls -l"? ;-)
Uhm..., I have done that a couple of times...
Sadly enough I am working mostly from the cmd shell. I have tried for
example MSYS sh, but I found that the integration with ms windows is not
good eno
Mathias Dahl wrote:
I found this in tool-bar.el:
;; We want to pretend the toolbar by standard is on, as this will make
;; customize consider disabling the toolbar a customization, and save
;; that. We could do this for real by setting :init-value above, but
;; tha
On 7 Jul 2005, at 13:22, David Reitter wrote:
I have implemented the single frame behavior (it takes more than
OneonOne to do that), for example.
As I've been asked to clarify this: We define a range of additional
functions, such as one to delete a buffer when its window is deleted,
and d
> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:55:19 +0200
> From: LENNART BORGMAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Do you not find it disturbing then that the ordering of files are different
> in Emacs than outside Emacs on w32?
And what, may I ask, do you use outside Emacs? Isn't it "ls -l"? ;-
Benjamin Riefenstahl wrote on 07 Jul 2005 20:56:42 +0200:
> Have you tried to do something like this:
>
>(prefer-coding-system 'utf-16le-with-signature)
>(prefer-coding-system 'latin-9)
>
> I.e. first put UTF-16 on the "priority list for automatic detection"
> and than override it again w
(expand-file-name (file-name-nondirectory fname) dir)
should return fname back. It is like an identity, right? If not,
what is the way to *always* correctly do an expand-file-name ?
The exception I saw was here:
If there exists a file named "~" in my ~/tmp/, I see funny things:
(expand-file
> From: Edward O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:28:22 -0700
>
> >> Thanks! Should not this be the default on w32?
> >
> > I suppose it would make sense, yes.
>
> Here's one vote for leaving the default as it is.
Here's another.
> I love how Emacs
> is a consistent enviro
On 7 Jul 2005, at 19:39, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Quick question: does Aquamacs require changes in the C code for just
in the Emacs Lisp?
As stated in my original post: "we patch the c core".
But the vast majority of changes comes from .el packages (in site-
lisp). Other distributions such
Hi Juanma,
Juanma Barranquero writes:
> Basically I want to use latin-9 for everything, but I want to be
> able to do C-x C-f my-utf-16-file and get it decoded right.
Have you tried to do something like this:
(prefer-coding-system 'utf-16le-with-signature)
(prefer-coding-system 'latin-9)
> (put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function
>'(nil nil &body
This breaks the standard indentation of IF in lisp-mode buffers.
I don't see that (with emacs -q). What are you seeing?
I assume that you meant adding the above to lisp-mode-hook instead of
On 7/7/05, Lawrence Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This breaks the standard indentation of IF in lisp-mode buffers.
If you mean that `if's are:
(if x
(a)
(b)
(c))
instead of:
(if x
(a)
(b)
(c))
I would consider this a clear advantage.
Anyway, I'm not proposing my c
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[...]
> (put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function
>'(nil nil &body
This breaks the standard indentation of IF in lisp-mode buffers.
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Per Abrahamsen wrote:
Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
SPC in custom buffers currently always scrolls the buffer. I do not
think this is the expected behaviour by most users.
A common use of SPC (web browsers, w32 programs) is to "push the button"
when keyboard focus is on the
Much as I like the idea of prepackaged distributions for normal,
non-developer users, the problem I see with many "big" Emacs projects
(like TinyTools, CEDET, JDEE, etc) is that they are much of an
all-or-nothing. You install one of them, you are no longer in Emacs,
but someone'
Let's not try to be too clever.
I agree. I think the behavior given by Juanma's hook code using
common-lisp-indent-function gives good results:
(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook
#'(lambda ()
(unless (assoc-string "cl-indent" load-history)
(load "cl-inden
Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> SPC in custom buffers currently always scrolls the buffer. I do not
> think this is the expected behaviour by most users.
>
> A common use of SPC (web browsers, w32 programs) is to "push the button"
> when keyboard focus is on the button. I think tha
> Interesting. I can see your point. However do you use w32?
Yes, I do (as well as FreeBSD, Mac OS X, and occasionally GNU/Linux).
> Do you not find it disturbing then that the ordering of files are
> different in Emacs than outside Emacs on w32?
Nope, I don't find that disturbing at all.
A rel
>>In dired files are sorted case sensitive. This does not make
sense on an
>>OS with case insensitive file system. Is there any way to get the
>>listing in dired sorted case insensitive?
>
>If you're on Windows, dired is using the Lisp emulation of `ls', that
>is, ls-lis
Emacs developers,
This patch to the CVS Emacs sources fixes the way that function
x_calc_absolute_position() accounts for the Windows-drawn borders around
a frame when converting a negative 'top or 'left parameter into the
equivalent positive value.
I have submitted this patch before, but RMS tol
Juanma Barranquero wrote:
On one hand, I think that's similar to what Luc was proposing for the
custom-themes issue.
Oh, thanks Juanma, sorry Luc.
On the other, that doesn't avoid what I'm complaining about: you
should be able to use a big package and decide which bits are useful
to you an
On 7/7/05, Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A very, very wild idea, a save excursion for loading so to say: could
> all the setting and defining functions be defadviced during loading of
> such packages in such a way that they saved old states of symbols in a
> list called say "previou
Juanma Barranquero wrote:
I agree to whole message. I have written EmacsW32 just for this above.
Much as I like the idea of prepackaged distributions for normal,
non-developer users, the problem I see with many "big" Emacs projects
(like TinyTools, CEDET, JDEE, etc) is that they are much
I have debug-on-error set to t. When I do an eval-buffer and there is an
undefined function:
(this-is-no-fun)
I get the error "Wrong type argument: stringp, nul
If I instead let the region be the whole buffer and to eval-region I get
a traceback with "Symbol's function definition is void: t
> I agree to whole message. I have written EmacsW32 just for this above.
Much as I like the idea of prepackaged distributions for normal,
non-developer users, the problem I see with many "big" Emacs projects
(like TinyTools, CEDET, JDEE, etc) is that they are much of an
all-or-nothing. You install
On 7/7/05, Kenichi Handa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When you prefer that coding system, Emacs communicates with
> a process by utf-16le-with-signature, so it's not surprising
> that vc-diff doesn't work.
I never doubted there was a good reason ;-)
So, is there any way to convince Emacs that I
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 7/7/05, Kenichi Handa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This is because prefer-coding-system sets also
>> default-file-name-coding-system.
> Unfortunately, setting
> (prefer-coding-system 'utf-16le-with-signature
I found this in tool-bar.el:
;; We want to pretend the toolbar by standard is on, as this will make
;; customize consider disabling the toolbar a customization, and save
;; that. We could do this for real by setting :init-value above, but
;; that would turn on the toolbar in MS W
John S. Yates, Jr. wrote:
My notion of a theme is not a named collection of configuration
settings. Rather it is an expression of high-level intent:
- as much as possible behave like Window / MacOS / *nix
- underline clickable links
I agree to whole message. I have written EmacsW32 just for
On 7 Jul 2005, at 11:53, John S. Yates, Jr. wrote:
Historically, the Emacs community has provided default behavior
that catered to its entrenched userbase. The answer to nearly
any suggestion that such behavior might be awkward / unfamiliar /
jarring to new users, especially those on platforms
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:28:22 -0700, Edward O'Connor wrote:
>Here's one vote for leaving the default as it is. I love how Emacs
>is a consistent environment across the various operating systems it
>runs on, and would much prefer it for the default Dired behavior to
>continue to be the same across a
On 7/7/05, Kenichi Handa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is because prefer-coding-system sets also
> default-file-name-coding-system.
Unfortunately, setting
(prefer-coding-system 'utf-16le-with-signature)
into .emacs is still not a viable option. I'm getting a lot of trouble
out of saveplac
"Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As far as I know, the GNU Task List is obsolete and has been replaced
> by http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/tasklist. There is still an old
> version of the list in etc/tasks.texi. Shall I delete that file?
>
> Please do.
Done.
>
From: Edward O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Here's one vote for leaving the default as it is. I love how Emacs
> is a consistent environment across the various operating systems it
> runs on, and would much prefer it for the default Dired behavior to
> continue to be the same across all supported
"Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I noticed that lisp/elide-head.el has the FSF's old address hardcoded.
> It should probably be fixed so that it recognizes the new address as
> well.
>
> Could you please do that?
Done.
Lute.
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On 7/7/05, Kim F. Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just installed a fix to Frecenter -- pls. try again.
Yeah, it seems to work OK. Thanks.
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On 7/7/05, Edward O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I love how Emacs
> is a consistent environment across the various operating systems it
> runs on, and would much prefer it for the default Dired behavior to
> continue to be the same across all supported systems.
That's the eternal tension b
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This change to `recenter' has problems.
>
> 2005-07-06 Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> * window.c (Frecenter): When arg is inside the scroll margin,
> move it out of the margin.
>
> emacs -Q
> M-x ielm
> ...
>
> Only t
On 7/7/05, Kenichi Handa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is because prefer-coding-system sets also
> default-file-name-coding-system. It seems that any attempt
> to set it (and keyboard-coding-system) to ascii-incompatible
> coding system should be avoided. So, I've just installed
> these chan
>> Thanks! Should not this be the default on w32?
>
> I suppose it would make sense, yes.
Here's one vote for leaving the default as it is. I love how Emacs
is a consistent environment across the various operating systems it
runs on, and would much prefer it for the default Dired behavior to
conti
Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I looked at etc/refcard.tex too and noticed places that need to be fixed
> other than those already corrected by Lute.
>
> 1. In the section `Files'
>
> \key{version control checkin/checkout}{C-x C-q}
>
> needs to be replaced with
>
> \key{toggle read only
Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> 5. There is `M-x recover-file', but no `M-x recover-session'.
>>
>> recover-session is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `files'.
>> It is bound to .
>> (recover-session)
>
> Yes, I meant exactly the same command.
Sorry, I misunderstood you.
A
Richard M. Stallman wrote:
> Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
> > The code works by checking the position of &body inside the macro
> > argument list, and setting the lisp-indent-function property of
> > the macro name to that number.
>
> It is clever, and adapting it to macros that are not loaded would
> not
Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It seems you missed a change to version 22 in the comments
> `% Reference Card for GNU Emacs version 21 on Unix systems'.
Thanks. Fixed.
> PS: Perhaps maintainers of refcard's translations should be
> notified after all changes in refcard.tex are comple
On 7/7/05, Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks! Should not this be the default on w32?
I suppose it would make sense, yes.
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> Oh, sorry, I thought it was easy to see. In the customize buffer
> there
> is a "Value Menu" for each part of exec-path. That looks wrong to
> me.
> Beside that the choices are "default" and "file". Whatever
> "default"
> mean I think "file" should be "directory". Or?
And "default" should
Richard M. Stallman wrote:
I just did M-x customize-option RET exec-path RET.
I think the type for exec-path looks wrong. What do you think?
It looks right to me.
When you report a problem, please describe what aspect of the
behavior you think is wrong. This is important so that we
don
Juanma Barranquero wrote:
On 7/7/05, Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In dired files are sorted case sensitive. This does not make sense on an
OS with case insensitive file system. Is there any way to get the
listing in dired sorted case insensitive?
If you're on Windows, di
Richard M. Stallman wrote:
I just did M-x customize-option RET exec-path RET.
I think the type for exec-path looks wrong. What do you think?
It looks right to me.
When you report a problem, please describe what aspect of the
behavior you think is wrong. This is important so that we
don
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