Re: Avoiding moving point into minibuffer prompt area

2005-08-15 Thread Luc Teirlinck
>From my previous reply: That is because of field properties. To see this, do C-x C-f, move into the prompt (sorry) and to C-u x = I meant: "and do C-u C-x =" Sincerely, Luc. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.o

Re: Avoiding moving point into minibuffer prompt area

2005-08-15 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Drew Adams wrote: I think I'm missing something here, and I'd like to learn. What minibuffer text are you referring to copying - something from the prompt? Can you give an example? I am referring to copying the prompt. This is routinely necessary when describing bugs or misfeatures invo

RE: Avoiding moving point into minibuffer prompt area

2005-08-15 Thread Drew Adams
As I already pointed out, I personally do not find this confusing, but very useful. For people who do not like it, however, the functionality you want is already available. M-x customize-option RET minibuffer-prompt-properties RET and check: Inviolable. Thanks. I wasn't aware

Re: Avoiding moving point into minibuffer prompt area

2005-08-15 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Lennart Borgman wrote: I think it is quite confusing that you can move the point into the prompt area in the minibuffer. Why don't we use something like the code below to avoid this: As I already pointed out, I personally do not find this confusing, but very useful. For people who do

RE: Avoiding moving point into minibuffer prompt area

2005-08-15 Thread Drew Adams
I think it is quite confusing that you can move the point into the prompt area in the minibuffer. What is confusing about that? It has often saved me time by allowing me to copy text from the minibuffer. The code you propose would unnecessarily waste people's time by im

RE: Emacs icons

2005-08-15 Thread Drew Adams
> The idea of using an E on a gnu is ok semantically. Whether it looks > better than just an E, I am not sure. Attached is an idea ;-) It don't look too bad when resized as a 16x16 icon. This could make an attractive _logo_, but it would _not_ work as a 16x16 icon, IMO (see attached)

Re: minor bug in next-error-follow-minor-mode?

2005-08-15 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Thanks. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: diff-mode-hook (was Re: minor bug in next-error-follow-minor-mode?)

2005-08-15 Thread Richard M. Stallman
But that failed, and then I tried a function that did (setq foo 42), and that didn't seem to set foo. I suspect diff-mode doesn't call diff-mode-hook. The disassembled code says that it does. It uses run-mode-hooks. Under some circumstances the running of those hooks can be delayed

Re: grep-use-null-device

2005-08-15 Thread Richard M. Stallman
So, my grep program supports "-H" but it apparently has not the expected semantics. That is a very vague statement. It tells us nothing. Why don't you tell us what DOES happen, instead of just saying you think it is wrong somehow. Please read the Bugs section in the Emacs manual, which

Re: Emacs icons

2005-08-15 Thread Richard M. Stallman
The E is too hard to see. It would be better to have just an E. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: no prompt when reading chars

2005-08-15 Thread Richard M. Stallman
I think I fixed this in xdisp.c. Thanks. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: Avoiding moving point into minibuffer prompt area

2005-08-15 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Lennart Borgman wrote: I think it is quite confusing that you can move the point into the prompt area in the minibuffer. What is confusing about that? It has often saved me time by allowing me to copy text from the minibuffer. The code you propose would unnecessarily waste people's time

Avoiding moving point into minibuffer prompt area

2005-08-15 Thread Lennart Borgman
I think it is quite confusing that you can move the point into the prompt area in the minibuffer. Why don't we use something like the code below to avoid this: (defun minibuff-post-command() (when (active-minibuffer-window) (when (< (point) (minibuffer-prompt-end)) (forward-char (- (mi

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Re: Bug in looking-at?

2005-08-15 Thread Lennart Borgman
Lennart Borgman wrote: Jason Rumney wrote: Richard has replied that he does not see this problem on his system (GNU/Linux I suppose). What is the problem? Everything that you said SHOULD happen does, on both GNU/Linux and W32. So I don't think I see it either. Hm. Yes, I can see now I

Re: Emacs icons

2005-08-15 Thread Lennart Borgman
David Ponce wrote: Richard M. Stallman wrote: The idea of using an E on a gnu is ok semantically. Whether it looks better than just an E, I am not sure. Attached is an idea ;-) It don't look too bad when resized as a 16x16 icon. David If you have not seen the web page it is here: http:

Re: Default position of the vertical scroll bar w/ GTK toolkit

2005-08-15 Thread Stephan Stahl
Hi Eli. Eli Zaretskii said: > I think the MS-Windows ``toolkit'' simply does not allow placing the > scroll bar on the left. It does.. i have configured it that way in my .emacs :) Regards, -- Stephan Stahl ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@

Re: Default position of the vertical scroll bar w/ GTK toolkit

2005-08-15 Thread Jason Rumney
Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think the MS-Windows ``toolkit'' simply does not allow placing the > scroll bar on the left. No, scroll bars are a standalone widget, you can place them where you want. I do think that the vast majority of users of Emacs on Windows would disagree abou

Re: diff-mode-hook

2005-08-15 Thread Bruce Stephens
Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > (add-hook 'diff-mode-hook (function () (next-error-follow-minor-mode t))) > > > (add-hook 'diff-mode-hook (lambda () (next-error-follow-minor-mode t))) > should work. So it does. I was just conf

Re: Entering filenames with spaces

2005-08-15 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:58:36 +0200 > > >>(define-key minibuffer-completion-map " " 'minibuffer-complete-word) > >> > >> in their .emacs. > > > > You must be kidding! Since when people

Re: Default position of the vertical scroll bar w/ GTK toolkit

2005-08-15 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:44:26 -0400 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On Windows (and, as far as I know, on Mac OS), Emacs already places the > scroll bar consistently with the user environment it's running in (i.e., > on the right). >

Re: Default position of the vertical scroll bar w/ GTK toolkit

2005-08-15 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Shouldn't vertical scroll bars be on the right side of the buffer when Emacs is built with the GTK toolkit? No, Emacs should follow the user's settings (or its own defaults) in the same way for all the tool kits. On Windows (and, as far as I know, on Mac OS), Emacs already places the

Re: diff-mode-hook (was Re: minor bug in next-error-follow-minor-mode?)

2005-08-15 Thread Dan Nicolaescu
Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] > > > > and indeed found that C-c C-f switched it off (and another C-c C-f > > > switched it on). However, now I look at the co

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diff-mode-hook (was Re: minor bug in next-error-follow-minor-mode?)

2005-08-15 Thread Bruce Stephens
Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > and indeed found that C-c C-f switched it off (and another C-c C-f > > switched it on). However, now I look at the code, I think it's just a > > minor bug, where ":init-value" ought to be ":l

Re: minor bug in next-error-follow-minor-mode?

2005-08-15 Thread Dan Nicolaescu
Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was confused by the behaviour of next-error-follow-minor-mode in the > current emacs CVS. I vaguely remembered that it was on by default, I don't think it was supposed to be on by default. > and indeed found that C-c C-f switched it off (and

Re: no prompt when reading chars

2005-08-15 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Emilio Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Start a fresh Emacs: % ./src/emacs --no-init-file --no-site-file Now press e.g. "C-x r w" (`window-configuration-to-register') *slowly*, i.e. with more than `echo-keystrokes' seconds of pause between the key presses. Instead of the expected

Re: Emacs icons

2005-08-15 Thread David Ponce
Richard M. Stallman wrote: The idea of using an E on a gnu is ok semantically. Whether it looks better than just an E, I am not sure. Attached is an idea ;-) It don't look too bad when resized as a 16x16 icon. David ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Ema

Re: Problems with display-pixels-per-inch variable

2005-08-15 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Does anyone know how to do that? that info can be found in FRAME_X_DISPLAY_INFO (frame)->resx and FRAME_X_DISPLAY_INFO (frame)->resy but those are initialized later. perhaps you can adjust the var's value right before entering the command-loop. fw

minor bug in next-error-follow-minor-mode?

2005-08-15 Thread Bruce Stephens
I was confused by the behaviour of next-error-follow-minor-mode in the current emacs CVS. I vaguely remembered that it was on by default, and indeed found that C-c C-f switched it off (and another C-c C-f switched it on). However, now I look at the code, I think it's just a minor bug, where ":ini

Re: Can't interrupt directory_files_internal run from timer-event-handler

2005-08-15 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Yes, indeed Unix v5 (fifth edition from 1974, that is _not_ SysV!), does allow root to make hard links on directories. But the seventh edition from 1978 already prohibits it. (sorry, at the moment I don't have a v6 at hand to test it there... ;-)) Thanks for looking this up. _

Re: Emacs icons

2005-08-15 Thread Richard M. Stallman
The idea of using an E on a gnu is ok semantically. Whether it looks better than just an E, I am not sure. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

no prompt when reading chars

2005-08-15 Thread Emilio Lopes
Start a fresh Emacs: % ./src/emacs --no-init-file --no-site-file Now press e.g. "C-x r w" (`window-configuration-to-register') *slowly*, i.e. with more than `echo-keystrokes' seconds of pause between the key presses. Instead of the expected prompt "Window configuration to register: " you'll s

grep-use-null-device

2005-08-15 Thread Emilio Lopes
The documentation of this variable says: grep-use-null-device's value is nil If t, append the value of `null-device' to `grep' commands. This is done to ensure that the output of grep includes the filename of any match in the case where only a single file is searched, and is not ne

Re: Problems with display-pixels-per-inch variable

2005-08-15 Thread Jason Rumney
Kim F. Storm wrote: In the C code, we have this variable, which can be used by the calculation of strech glyph width and height: DEFVAR_LISP ("display-pixels-per-inch", &Vdisplay_pixels_per_inch, doc: /* Pixels per inch on current display. Value is a number or a cons (WIDTH-DPI . HEIGHT-DP

Problems with display-pixels-per-inch variable

2005-08-15 Thread Kim F. Storm
In the C code, we have this variable, which can be used by the calculation of strech glyph width and height: DEFVAR_LISP ("display-pixels-per-inch", &Vdisplay_pixels_per_inch, doc: /* Pixels per inch on current display. Value is a number or a cons (WIDTH-DPI . HEIGHT-DPI). */); Vdisplay

Re: read_processs_output on closing network servers

2005-08-15 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/15/05, Kim F. Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So it never returns from the recvfrom call? That's it. > Is this actually the only time you see emacs hanging there? Yes. > I would guess that if it can hang in that case, you can device other > cases (combining more processes) that would m

Re: compiling on Macosx Tiger

2005-08-15 Thread Flatman
* Flatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | | Hi, | | I tried compiling emacs cvs on Tiger. | I allways have this error stopping the build process . | | Any idea ? | | Thanks | Erik | | gcc -I/sw/include -L/sw/lib -c -fpascal-strings -fno-common -DMAC_OSX -I../mac/src -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I

Re: Default position of the vertical scroll bar w/ GTK toolkit

2005-08-15 Thread Geoffrey Teale
On Monday 15 August 2005 13:08, Romain Francoise wrote: --- %< > GNOME is the GNU Desktop Environment, I think it makes sense to make > sure that Emacs blends in that environment, so that users can feel > comfortable with it. %< - Is that really true? Surely GNOME is _a_ GNU desktop

Re: Default position of the vertical scroll bar w/ GTK toolkit

2005-08-15 Thread Romain Francoise
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That talks about "viewer controls". Emacs is not predominantly a > viewer, but an editor. That means that one uses the mouse often to > place point, and the left border is more important than the right > border. For a mere viewer, the right placement

Re: Default position of the vertical scroll bar w/ GTK toolkit

2005-08-15 Thread Romain Francoise
Henrik Enberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Emacs doesn't follow Gnome interface guidelines in any other regard, so > I don't see why it should here. In some ways it does, even if it's informal. See for example the changes that were made to the menu bar in Emacs 21, compared to what is was in Em

proofreading man/custom.texi

2005-08-15 Thread Joakim Verona
Here is my attempt at proofreading man/custom.texi. Its pretty good, and I didnt find anything really obvious from NEWS missing. I have lots of opinions though, which can mostly be safely disregarded, that I offer below. * man/custom.texi ** minor modes The chosen minor modes are well presen

Re: Backtrace - where did the error originate?

2005-08-15 Thread Lennart Borgman
Stefan Monnier wrote: The links in the *Backtrace* buffer is extremely handy when searching for an error. However I am missing a link to where the error originated in my code. I miss it so much so I consider it a bug ;-) Looks like the attached patch got lost on the way. Can you resend?

Re: (elisp's) buffer.texi: Vagueness in chapter "The Buffer List"

2005-08-15 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Emacs! I've sorted out my difficulties with the buffer list. I'd like to suggest the following patch to the Elisp manual, which I think clears up the vagueness I was complaining about yesterday. 2005-08-15 Alan Mackenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * buffers.texi (The Buffer List): Clarif

Re: read_processs_output on closing network servers

2005-08-15 Thread Kim F. Storm
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Closing a datagram server hangs up Emacs (at least on Windows), on the > call to recvfrom() on read_process_output() (process.c ~ 4799). So it never returns from the recvfrom call? Is this actually the only time you see emacs hanging there? I wou

Re: Entering filenames with spaces

2005-08-15 Thread Kim F. Storm
Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> users, so they shouldn't be too annoyed by having to add >> >>(define-key minibuffer-completion-map " " 'minibuffer-complete-word) >> >> in their .emacs. > > You must be kidding! Since when people who are accustomed to > SPC-completion are automa