> Let's stick with the simple variable that puts all tooltips
> in the echo area.
OK. I've installed a change so that its no longer obsolete.
> If you want only non-GUD tooltips (and those in the echo area), then
> set tooltip-use-echo-area to t, and don't enable GUD tooltips.
> What could
To display help tooltips in the echo area turn `tooltip-mode' off.
To display GUD tooltips in the echo area turn `gud-tooltip-mode' on and set
`gud-tooltip-echo-area' to t.
This sounds more complicated,
Yes, it is not clean.
but displaying help text in the echo area
shou
> From: Nick Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:29:45 +1200
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Eli Zaretskii writes:
> > IMHO, we should rather implement the functionality that somehow isn't
> > there (although I could probably swear I've seen it in action, at
Richard Stallman writes:
> > I must be confused. If that feature exists, doesn't
> tooltip-use-echo-area
> > control whether to enable it?
>
> That is one way, but not the only one.
>
> What is the interface you recommend, to control this?
To display help tooltips in the e
Eli Zaretskii writes:
> IMHO, we should rather implement the functionality that somehow isn't
> there (although I could probably swear I've seen it in action, at
> least in NTEmacs circa 21.1) which allows the user to select one of 3
> behaviors:
>
> (1) tooltips popping up in small window
> I must be confused. If that feature exists, doesn't
tooltip-use-echo-area
> control whether to enable it?
That is one way, but not the only one.
What is the interface you recommend, to control this?
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> From: Nick Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:07:34 +1200
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > I must be confused. If that feature exists, doesn't tooltip-use-echo-area
> > control whether to enable it?
>
> That is one way, but not the on
> I'm not sure that you've followed the whole thread.
>
> I can never follow the whole of such a thread. I don't have time!
>
> The feature of being
> able to display help messages and GUD variable values in the echo area
>
I'm not sure that you've followed the whole thread.
I can never follow the whole of such a thread. I don't have time!
The feature of being
able
to display help messages and GUD variable values in the echo area has *not*
been r
> OK. I've just installed changes that try to restore the behaviour of
> tooltip-use-echo-area. I guess I should try to give people what they
> want rather than what I think they should have.
>
> It should not be obsolete. This feature should not be removed.
> It is a useful f
Nick Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jason, can please you tell me if this change actually gives you the
> behaviour that you want.
It seems to have fixed the problem with semantic. Thanks.
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OK. I've just installed changes that try to restore the behaviour of
tooltip-use-echo-area. I guess I should try to give people what they
want rather than what I think they should have.
It should not be obsolete. This feature should not be removed.
It is a useful feature.
> From: Nick Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:33:38 +1200
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> OK. I've just installed changes that try to restore the behaviour of
> tooltip-use-echo-area.
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> > Resurrecting tooltip-use-echo-area is unrelated to making the tty version
> > support tooltips.
>
> IMO, it is related.
OK. I've just installed changes that try to restore the behaviour of
tooltip-use-echo-area. I guess I should try to give people what they
want rather than what I think
> From: Nick Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:30:04 +1200
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Resurrecting tooltip-use-echo-area is unrelated to making the tty version
> support tooltips.
IMO, it is related.
> It was just a flag that re-directed
> > Even more reason not to remove tooltip-use-echo-area.
> >
> > > With the former, messages were displayed in the echo area in the
> > > manner of a tooltip i.e they required the mouse to pause over the
> > > text etc. With the latter, help messages appear instantly like
> > > mouse-face.
> From: Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:54:39 +0100
> Cc: Emacs Devel
>
> > > Shouldn't turning tooltip-mode off disable tooltips completely, whether
> > > they are displayed in frames or the echo area?
> >
> > Having tooltip-mode on and tooltip-use-echo-area set t
> It's been reported twice before, it breaks semantic, which uses
> tooltip-use-echo-area in a test to determine whether to enable a
> certain feature which would be excessively annoying if displayed in a
> resizing echo area.
The first report appear to be from Frank Schmitt after which I adde
Nick Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >Setting tooltip-use-echo-area to t meant that normal (and GUD) tooltip
> > >strings were displayed in the echo area i.e not really as tooltips.
> > >They can now be displayed there independently. For GUD tooltips set
> > >gud-tooltip-echo-area to t
> >Setting tooltip-use-echo-area to t meant that normal (and GUD) tooltip
> >strings were displayed in the echo area i.e not really as tooltips.
> >They can now be displayed there independently. For GUD tooltips set
> >gud-tooltip-echo-area to t. For normal (help) tooltips, just turn
> >toolti
Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Meanwhile, tooltip-use-echo-area has been abducted by gud for use as
> an alias, breaking existing code that assumed it was a general user
> option for controlling the display of tooltips.
This seems like a bug to me.
> Shouldn't turning tooltip-mode of
Nick Roberts wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It appears to have been moved from tooltip.el where it was preloaded, to
> gud.el, so if gud is not loaded it has as good as disappeared.
>
> I don't understand this decision. Why is this now considered a gud specific
> feature? It was formerly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It appears to have been moved from tooltip.el where it was preloaded, to
> gud.el, so if gud is not loaded it has as good as disappeared.
>
> I don't understand this decision. Why is this now considered a gud specific
> feature? It was formerly a user option to ha
It appears to have been moved from tooltip.el where it was preloaded, to gud.el,
so if gud is not loaded it has as good as disappeared.
I don't understand this decision. Why is this now considered a gud specific
feature? It was formerly a user option to have messages appear in the echo area
rather
> The following change seems to have removed the important variable
> tooltip-use-echo-area, with no apparent replacement.
> Besides breaking lisp code that was written for 21.1, I don't recall any
> discussion about why this feature should be deprecated.
>
>
>
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