Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-28 Thread Andreas Leha
Hi suvayu ali, > Hi Andreas, > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Andreas Leha > wrote: >> Will this new backend support presentations in subtrees?  I think, what >> I want is not possible with the current one. >> >> As an example, consider files structured like this: >> >> #+begin_src org >> *

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-28 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Andreas, On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Andreas Leha wrote: > Will this new backend support presentations in subtrees?  I think, what > I want is not possible with the current one. > > As an example, consider files structured like this: > > #+begin_src org > * Presentations > ** Workshop 20

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-28 Thread Andreas Leha
Hi Nicolas, > As I announced in another thread, I'm starting a Beamer back-end for the > new export engine. Though, before I start hacking, I have a question > about environments. Will this new backend support presentations in subtrees? I think, what I want is not possible with the current one.

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-22 Thread Eric S Fraga
Nicolas, > I'll keep headlines for blocks. But I think I'll introduce a couple of > small changes. I really like all the changes you propose. The result would appear to be a clean design. I particularly like the defaulting of headlines to blocks. Unlike others, I am not bothered about *alert*

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-21 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, "Sebastien Vauban" writes: >> - Sectioning and packages are extracted from `org-e-latex-classes'. >> Since calling Beamer back-end is explicit, it can be applied on any >> tex file, not only when that file starts with >> "\documentclass{beamer}". Additionally, an equivalent to >>

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-21 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Nicolas, On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > If you want to try them out (there has been no serious debugging for > them), you can > >  (defalias 'org-metaup 'org-element-drag-backward) > > `org-element-drag-backward' is a strict super-set for `org-metaup'. > I will tr

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-21 Thread Rasmus
Nicolas Goaziou writes: >> The noframe tag sounds good. > Do you have any example of the use you have in mind? I don't know > what > kind of contents one would like add between frames (excepted notes). - If you are to repeat frames - Imagine a complicated tikz picture which you don't want t

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-21 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Rasmus writes: >> - There is no separate syntax for \alert{} command: it is the default >> output for bold objects (i.e. *text* becomes \alert{text}). > > Would bold then be archived with some other markup? Or would it just > not be possible to get bold text (without defaulting to \bol

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-21 Thread Sebastien Vauban
Hi Nicolas, First, a big thank you for your work on this as well... Here, inline, a couple of quick remarks... Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Eric S Fraga writes: > >>> See `org-element-drag-backward' and `org-element-drag-forward'. >> >> Okay. Will it be easy to bind these to M- etc. to achieve >>

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-21 Thread Rasmus
Nicolas Goaziou writes: > - There is no separate syntax for \alert{} command: it is the default > output for bold objects (i.e. *text* becomes \alert{text}). Would bold then be archived with some other markup? Or would it just not be possible to get bold text (without defaulting to \bold{·})?

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-21 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Eric S Fraga writes: >> See `org-element-drag-backward' and `org-element-drag-forward'. > > Okay. Will it be easy to bind these to M- etc. to achieve > consistent behaviour? I.e. does org-metaup know what to do with > blocks? I hope that, one day, they will replace current `org-metaup'

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-20 Thread Eric S Fraga
Sebastien Vauban writes: [...] > Personally, I dislike using headlines for *anything* that's in the frame. I > like the idea that headlines do show the structure of your presentation: > > - (optionally) sections and subsections for the sidebar > - frame title (and subtitle) > > and no more. Thi

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-20 Thread Sebastien Vauban
Hi all, Greg Tucker-Kellogg wrote: > On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: >> Nicolas Goaziou writes: >>> Eric S Fraga writes: >>> Well, I will have to chime in with a contrary view. I like using headlines to define blocks, and I use blocks on almost every frame. I hav

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-19 Thread Greg Tucker-Kellogg
I also quite like using headlines for blocks, for many of the same reasons Eric mentioned. In addition, I regularly use column view to set BEAMER_env, BEAMER_envargs, BEAMER_extra, etc., and column view operates on headlines. Greg On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Nicolas G

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-19 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Eric S Fraga writes: > Well, I will have to chime in with a contrary view. I like using > headlines to define blocks, and I use blocks on almost every frame. I > have the following reasons for preferring a headline approach: > > - the proposed approach does not easily (at all?) cater fo

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-18 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Eric, On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Avdi Grimm writes: > >> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:41 PM, suvayu ali >>  wrote: >> >>> With this syntax it would be very easy to write both really long (40-50 >>> frames) as well as quick and short presentations. >>> >> >> I've onl

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-18 Thread Rasmus
"Sebastien Vauban" > IIUC, you seem to say it's difficult to use the overlay notation, but > you can > use it very easily that way: > ** Overlay effects \\ Keep the suspense! > > *** Time bomb:B_block: > :PROPERTIES: > :BEAMER_env: blo

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-18 Thread Sebastien Vauban
Hello Rasmus, Rasmus wrote: > - Operating with pauses are overly hard. One can specify overlays in >properties, but is just not very convenient, as I may have to >introduce a new number j'natural' in the current org-beamer (IMO). I certainly will put my grain of salt later on, but

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-18 Thread Rasmus
Nicolas Goaziou writes: > As I announced in another thread, I'm starting a Beamer back-end for > the new export engine. This is indeed good news. Here are some concerns that I would like to address compared to the current exporter. - Operating with pauses are overly hard. One can specify ov

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-18 Thread Eric S Fraga
Avdi Grimm writes: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:41 PM, suvayu ali > wrote: > >> With this syntax it would be very easy to write both really long (40-50 >> frames) as well as quick and short presentations. >> > > I've only been using Org and Beamer for a little while, but if I understand > it co

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-18 Thread Daniel Bausch
Hi Nicolas, first of all, I think the block idea is a good one, as long a notes will remain headlines. Nevertheless I often had the problem in my documents, that I wanted to insert code between frames. It would be great, if you could provide a clean solution for such things, too. (ignoreheading

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-15 Thread Avdi Grimm
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:41 PM, suvayu ali wrote: > With this syntax it would be very easy to write both really long (40-50 > frames) as well as quick and short presentations. > I've only been using Org and Beamer for a little while, but if I understand it correctly this sounds preferable. I

Re: [O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-15 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Nicolas, First a big thank you for all your efforts over the last year. On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > I'm wondering if it is really interesting to have every environment set > up from headlines. I understand it allows to use column view but, from > my experience,

[O] [dev] About a beamer back-end

2012-06-15 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, As I announced in another thread, I'm starting a Beamer back-end for the new export engine. Though, before I start hacking, I have a question about environments. I'm wondering if it is really interesting to have every environment set up from headlines. I understand it allows to use column