Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-26 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-09-25, o godz. 11:09:43 Rasmus napisaƂ(a): > Nicolas Girard writes: > > > 2013/9/25 Carsten Dominik : > > > I came to think that, having a piece of code that brings > > cross-compatibility between the 3 engines would be of interest to > > people outside of the Org community. But this

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-25 Thread Rasmus
Nicolas Girard writes: > 2013/9/25 Carsten Dominik : > I came to think that, having a piece of code that brings > cross-compatibility between the 3 engines would be of interest to > people outside of the Org community. But this is not trivial, > especially if the code has to work with older TeX

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-25 Thread Carsten Dominik
Excellent, I'll wait for your further input. Thanks Nicolas! - Carsten On 25.9.2013, at 09:45, Nicolas Girard wrote: > 2013/9/25 Carsten Dominik : >> >> On 19.9.2013, at 11:38, Nicolas Girard wrote: >> >>> I actually have some working code that does this. It lies in a file I >>> named 'mini

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-25 Thread Nicolas Girard
2013/9/25 Carsten Dominik : > > On 19.9.2013, at 11:38, Nicolas Girard wrote: > >> I actually have some working code that does this. It lies in a file I >> named 'minimal.tex', which I include into all my latex code using >> \input{minimal}\makeatletter > > Hi Nicolas, > > of I were to include th

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-25 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 19.9.2013, at 11:38, Nicolas Girard wrote: > 2013/9/19 Carsten Dominik : >> >> On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus wrote: >> >>> So what would the goal be? To make it compatible with XeLaTeX and >>> LuaLaTeX out of the box? >> >> Yes, this is what I mean. I would be happy to have some clever

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-19 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 19.9.2013, at 11:38, Nicolas Girard wrote: > 2013/9/19 Carsten Dominik : >> >> On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus wrote: >> >>> So what would the goal be? To make it compatible with XeLaTeX and >>> LuaLaTeX out of the box? >> >> Yes, this is what I mean. I would be happy to have some clever

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-19 Thread Nicolas Girard
2013/9/19 Carsten Dominik : > > On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus wrote: > >> So what would the goal be? To make it compatible with XeLaTeX and >> LuaLaTeX out of the box? > > Yes, this is what I mean. I would be happy to have some clever line in there > that would do the right thing for variants

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-19 Thread Carsten Dominik
Hi Rasmus, On 19.9.2013, at 11:11, Rasmus wrote: > Hi Carsten, > > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus wrote: >> >>> Carsten Dominik writes: >>> > [...] > The output tex file looks something like this: > > \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}\else\

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-19 Thread Rasmus
Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik writes: > On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus wrote: > >> Carsten Dominik writes: >> [...] The output tex file looks something like this: \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}\else\fi \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}\else\fi >>> >>> this looks

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-18 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 19.9.2013, at 00:21, Rasmus wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: > >>> [...] >>> The output tex file looks something like this: >>> >>> \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}\else\fi >>> \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}\else\fi >> >> this looks excellent. I think we will implement this as the

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-18 Thread Rasmus
Carsten Dominik writes: >> [...] >> The output tex file looks something like this: >> >> \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}\else\fi >> \ifPDFTeX\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}\else\fi > > this looks excellent. I think we will implement this as the default > behavior, but only after 8.2. > Does thi

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-18 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 17.9.2013, at 15:24, Rasmus wrote: > Hi Carsten, > > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> I'd be interested to see a patch to this effect. > > For now here's the filter I use and a add-to-list that hopefully > works. It could be turned into a general function such that > > - Certain packages

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-17 Thread Rasmus
Hi Eric, >> While automatic package handling is very exciting it could go awry. > > I'm not too in favor of automatic package detection. Unless it works > nearly perfectly, it just seems like trading one kind of user irritation > for another. Yeah. > Personally, I _always_ blast the default pack

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-17 Thread Rasmus
Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik writes: > I'd be interested to see a patch to this effect. For now here's the filter I use and a add-to-list that hopefully works. It could be turned into a general function such that - Certain packages are only required with certain flavors of TeX (curtsy

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-17 Thread Eric S Fraga
Carsten Dominik writes: > On 11.9.2013, at 13:05, Eric S Fraga wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! >> >> Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX >> requires one to manually add a >> >> #+LaTeX_header: \usepackage{rotating} >> >> lin

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 11.9.2013, at 13:05, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Hi, > > A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! > > Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX > requires one to manually add a > > #+LaTeX_header: \usepackage{rotating} > > line to the org file. Could this package

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 17.9.2013, at 03:45, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > > On 09/17/13 03:26 AM, Rasmus wrote: >> Hi Carsten, >> >> Carsten Dominik writes: >> Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be default as possible. That is: I'm biased, but it's OK when everyone knows.

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
On 09/17/13 03:26 AM, Rasmus wrote: > Hi Carsten, > > Carsten Dominik writes: > >>> Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be >>> default as possible. That is: I'm biased, but it's OK when everyone >>> knows. >> >> Yes. Of course the cleanest solution would be to load a

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Andreas Leha
Rasmus writes: > Hi Carsten, > > Carsten Dominik writes: > >>> Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be >>> default as possible. That is: I'm biased, but it's OK when everyone >>> knows. >> >> Yes. Of course the cleanest solution would be to load as little >> as possi

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Rasmus
Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik writes: >> Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be >> default as possible. That is: I'm biased, but it's OK when everyone >> knows. > > Yes. Of course the cleanest solution would be to load as little > as possible. But convenience and bac

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Carsten Dominik
On Sep 16, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote: > Hi Rasmus, > > On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rasmus wrote: > >> Carsten Dominik writes: >> >>> OK, let me ask like this: >>> >>> Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating? >> >> Their manuals doesn't me

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Carsten Dominik
Hi Rasmus, On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rasmus wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> OK, let me ask like this: >> >> Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating? > > Their manuals doesn't mention anything, it seems. The internet > suggests that there might be

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Rainer M Krug
Rasmus writes: > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> OK, let me ask like this: >> >> Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating? > > Their manuals doesn't mention anything, it seems. The internet > suggests that there might be between memoir and wrapfig, but I didn't >

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Rasmus
Carsten Dominik writes: > OK, let me ask like this: > > Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating? Their manuals doesn't mention anything, it seems. The internet suggests that there might be between memoir and wrapfig, but I didn't look into it as I don't know m

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-16 Thread Carsten Dominik
Hi, OK, so my proposal is - to add the rotating package - do document that the tabu package is needed when specifying tabu - do document that amsmath in needed when generating a matrix The reasoning: - wrapfig and longtable have been in there for a long time, we want to avoid breaking existing

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-15 Thread Nicolas Girard
2013/9/15 Carsten Dominik : > > Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating? > Not that I know of.

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-14 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 13.9.2013, at 10:01, Detlef Steuer wrote: > Hi! > >> Hello, >> >> Rasmus writes: >> >>> So the question is should it be a default package? >>> >>> I think not. E.g. tabu isn't loaded. Amsmath isn't loaded if you >>> generate a matrix. >> >> I think the "tabu" case (and longtable...) i

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-13 Thread Sebastien Vauban
Hello, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > My point is: if "wrapfig" is there, "rotating" should accompany it, or > both should be removed from the variable. Also, there's no reason for > "longtable" to be included. Your analysis makes a lot of sense (somehow looking at what LaTeX knowledge the user has, if

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-13 Thread Detlef Steuer
Hi! > Hello, > > Rasmus writes: > > > So the question is should it be a default package? > > > > I think not. E.g. tabu isn't loaded. Amsmath isn't loaded if you > > generate a matrix. > > I think the "tabu" case (and longtable...) is different from "rotating". > > No feature in Org require

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-12 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Rasmus writes: > It's tough. I've /never/ used neither wrapfig nor longtable. From a > totally subjective point-of-view I'd certainly want to remove it! > However, I wonder if this is the 'nicest' thing to do. Not everyone > cares about LaTeX and not everyone cares to look into LaTeX details.

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-12 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 12.9.2013, at 19:42, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Hello, > > Rasmus writes: > >> So the question is should it be a default package? >> >> I think not. E.g. tabu isn't loaded. Amsmath isn't loaded if you >> generate a matrix. > > I think the "tabu" case (and longtable...) is different from

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-12 Thread Rasmus
Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Hello, > > Rasmus writes: > >> So the question is should it be a default package? >> >> I think not. E.g. tabu isn't loaded. Amsmath isn't loaded if you >> generate a matrix. > > I think the "tabu" case (and longtable...) is different from "rotating". > > No feature i

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-12 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Rasmus writes: > So the question is should it be a default package? > > I think not. E.g. tabu isn't loaded. Amsmath isn't loaded if you > generate a matrix. I think the "tabu" case (and longtable...) is different from "rotating". No feature in Org requires "tabu" or "longtable" unles

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Eric S Fraga
Rasmus writes: > Carsten Dominik writes: > >>> Okay. I can live with this! >>> >>> I guess it would help if the documentation indicated when additional >>> packages may be required. I had to do an internet search to find out I >>> needed the rotating package for the sidewaystable option des

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Rainer M Krug
Carsten Dominik writes: > On 11.9.2013, at 14:08, Eric S Fraga wrote: > >> Rasmus writes: >> >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> Eric S Fraga writes: A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX requires one to manually

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Rasmus
Carsten Dominik writes: >> Okay. I can live with this! >> >> I guess it would help if the documentation indicated when additional >> packages may be required. I had to do an internet search to find out I >> needed the rotating package for the sidewaystable option described in >> the org info

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 11.9.2013, at 14:08, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Rasmus writes: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> Eric S Fraga writes: >>> A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! >>> >>> Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX >>> requires one to manually add a >>> >>> #+LaTeX_header: \us

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Eric S Fraga
Rasmus writes: > Hi Eric, > > Eric S Fraga writes: >> A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! >> >> Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX >> requires one to manually add a >> >> #+LaTeX_header: \usepackage{rotating} >> >> line to the org file. Could this pac

Re: [O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Rasmus
Hi Eric, Eric S Fraga writes: > A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! > > Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX > requires one to manually add a > > #+LaTeX_header: \usepackage{rotating} > > line to the org file. Could this package be added automatically by

[O] [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?

2013-09-11 Thread Eric S Fraga
Hi, A minor feature request. Feel free to ignore! Using the sidewaystable :float option for table exports to LaTeX requires one to manually add a #+LaTeX_header: \usepackage{rotating} line to the org file. Could this package be added automatically by the exporter if the sidewaystable optio